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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by tnorthcutt »

nine_k wrote: post #210
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

I can imagine that the CEO, or maybe a few other top officers, may say: "This is me who is bringing in all the search deals, which means all the money. Come on and try to oust me." Mozilla is an open-source project. When an open-source project somehow loses its way, it's often forked by a new team of contributors who have a better idea. This happened several times: Open Office / Libre Office, MySQL / MariaDB, X86 / X…

It would e.g. take 33M users who agree to pay $5/mo for a Mozilla "support subscription" to collect $400M a year.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but when I do the math (33M x 5 x 12) I get $1.98B.

Maybe you meant $1/month?

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Post by khuey »

throitallaway wrote: post #200
tiahura wrote: post #60

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> Sarah Allen, Senior Director, MozFest > Juan Barani, Senior Director, Gift Planning Not to pick on these two people, but it's interesting that they have senior directors for a conference and gift planning.

"gift planning" here means "getting rich people to give us large checks".

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Post by blackhaz »

tiahura wrote: post #60
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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Motherfuck! Mozilla's board and their funding projects almost makes me want to abandon Firefox and go to Chrome.

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Post by oliwarner »

chii wrote: post #144
knute wrote: post #87

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Not just in absolute terms, what could possibly justify a 600% increase in salary in 7 years?

good negotiation skills and friends in high places. Salary has nothing to do with productivity at this level of an org.

> Salary has nothing to do with productivity at this level of an org.

That's nonsense. The difference at this level is you're not looking at personal productivity, you should be looking at a much broader interpretation. Except Mozilla doesn't. They've seen flailing commercial performance and have rewarded the CEO and laid off developers. It feels like madness because it is.

I love Firefox but Mozilla deserves to burn to the ground for this mismanagement.

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Post by taylodl »

Timshel wrote: post #193
taylodl wrote: post #133

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Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by d…

Don't know, the pro LGBT stance of Mozilla/ Mozilla Foundation was not new in 2014 I believe. So not having leadership with opposing view does not seem strange to me; donation was done privately but it end-up being public enough. There's enough hypocrisy and pink-washing ...

Is the Mozilla Foundation a software organization or a LGBTQ+ advocacy organization?

If it's the former then what business do they have caring about Brandon Eich's personal donation to support a ballot initiative?

If it's the latter then it's a conflict of interest and Brandon Eich should be asked to leave.

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Post by qwertywert_ »

dheera wrote: post #126
_dark_matter_ wrote: post #109

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Routinely??? I don't know of one staff level that gets paid that much

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/amazon/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/google/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/apple/salaries/software-eng...

Those aren't staff.

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Post by Buttons840 »

mikeryan wrote: post #207
munk-a wrote: post #65

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I think it's a pretty reasonable question when the salary is so incredibly out of line with what developers make. Is the CEO singlehandedly responsible for productivity equal to that of sixty or so developers?

CEO salaries aren’t, and never have been, relative to the rank and file salaries. The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market. You can argue whether they’re getting what they’re paying for but this doesn’t seem to be out of line relative to the leaders of other, similarly sized organizations. Also a non profit has to have higher salaries as there’s not a lot of roo…

> The question is how much you need to be to get a competent executive relative to the open market.

No! The real question is what happens without an executive, but some cheaper leadership structure instead?

I mean, maybe a cheaper leadership structure (whatever it may be) would run the company into the ground, but, well, at least they would achieve the same outcome for cheaper.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

antiframe wrote: post #76
franczesko wrote: post #37

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Firefox would need to win mobile. This is where action takes place.

Well there isn't much browser action on iOS, so nobody but Apple can win that.

I hope that the moment iOS is forced to allowed alternative browsers, Firefox is ready on day 1.

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Post by JohnBooty »

fishpen0 wrote: post #63

The main issue is every startup and small business ties themselves to the gsuite apps and ultimately falls down the path of using and then requiring gsuite auth and often chrome as a whole for all work browsing. It is quintessentially the new IE. almost all my browsing during the day has to be chrome whether I like it or not and that has been true at my last 4 organizations. Three of which are multi billion dollar co…

We're pretty GSuite/GAuth-oriented too but the parts we use work just fine on Firefox.

What parts of that are forcing you guys to be Chrome exclusive?

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Post by llIIllIIllIIl »

Oh, so we’re back to square 1 with IE6 (it’s just called Chrome this time) and marginalities. Thank god this time we already have jquery so we don’t throw it out of our projects too aggressively it may save a day once again.
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