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Firefox on the brink?

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

jdlyga wrote: post #90

Firefox needs to focus all their effort on making a good web browser first . If the browser is slow, has a clunky interface, or lags behind on features, then people won't use it. Mozilla focus way too much of their attention on privacy and non-browser related projects. Look at how much attention that The Browser Company has gotten for their Arc browser on Mac. Their primary focus is great UI and making an excellent b…

I don't really get what you're on about. I switched from Chrome to Firefox a couple months ago and... it's great. I don't notice any differences in performance (if anything, snappier) and the only thing that's "missing" that I had in Chrome is that Chrome had all my credit-card and password data associated with my Google account, which, well, that's not something I want Firefox to have.

TLDR: Firefox is a good web browser. It's not failing in the market because it's not a good browser. It's failing because consumers don't seem to actually care one way or the other.

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Post by JohnBooty »

pjmlp wrote: post #2

Yes, the Web has turned into ChromeOS, with the help of many folks that used to bash IE.

I can't believe that we fell for this crap again.

That's one of the side effects of aging engineers out of the industry so quickly. We've lost so many of the engineers who just lived through a crippling browser monoculture not much more than ten years ago.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by cozzyd »

loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

While I have no idea about any of the aspects of Mitchell Baker's salary, I don't see this questioning of corporate CEO's. A generous reading might be that this is the salary required to avoid losing the CEO to some random VC selling useless widgets.

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Post by ink_13 »

nine_k wrote: post #210
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

I can imagine that the CEO, or maybe a few other top officers, may say: "This is me who is bringing in all the search deals, which means all the money. Come on and try to oust me." Mozilla is an open-source project. When an open-source project somehow loses its way, it's often forked by a new team of contributors who have a better idea. This happened several times: Open Office / Libre Office, MySQL / MariaDB, X86 / X…

> When an open-source project somehow loses its way, it's often forked by a new team of contributors who have a better idea

Perhaps ironically, this was also the genesis of Firefox

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Post by Buttons840 »

Vvector wrote: post #186
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

Raise your hand if you also got a 7x raise over the last seven years.

Okay, now keep them raised if you were also performing worse on every metric each year.

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Post by jjoonathan »

southwesterly wrote: post #177
rumdz wrote: post #88

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I have not experienced this. Could it be because I only browse the web with uBlock Origin enabled?

Yes. It is exactly that.

Hmm. Maybe I should try uBlock. I usually don't like adblockers -- both on principle, because I believe in paying for what I consume, and because they tend to subtly break a website and cause hours of headaches at least once a year -- but I don't like feeding the beast either. I'll look into this.

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Post by ghostpepper »

munk-a wrote: post #65
ekianjo wrote: post #52

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> Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker's salary? What a ridiculous question. Obvious the chief captain on the Titanic is not responsible for the Iceberg jumping at the boat.

I think it's a pretty reasonable question when the salary is so incredibly out of line with what developers make. Is the CEO singlehandedly responsible for productivity equal to that of sixty or so developers?

This is true at most tech companies though - the CEO making a multiple of a typical dev salary. The large increases year over year, however, while Firefox loses market share, is a bigger red flag IMHO.

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Post by magicalhippo »

dheera wrote: post #162
benjaminsuch wrote: post #154

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Sure, but this is not the criteria for a company to be successful or not.

Since when do you get to define the criteria? I'm a happy user, I consider that a success in my book.

As a happy Firefox user, I want Firefox to make me happy tomorrow as well, not just today.

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Post by jjoonathan »

ape4 wrote: post #183
jjoonathan wrote: post #49

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Google finally beat my hands with a stick firmly enough to get me off Firefox. It was youtube. Not the ads -- I pay for premium -- but the fact that on FF they added an artificial 5s page load delay on firefox plus a bug has lingered for months where it always loads the last video, so you have to load every video twice. 12s/video is too much delay. Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

Wasn't this 5s delay for Firefox only debunked

I lived it. Someone saying they "debunked" it doesn't change my experience.
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