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Firefox on the brink?

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Post by trealira »

sp332 wrote: post #146
jdlyga wrote: post #90

Firefox needs to focus all their effort on making a good web browser first . If the browser is slow, has a clunky interface, or lags behind on features, then people won't use it. Mozilla focus way too much of their attention on privacy and non-browser related projects. Look at how much attention that The Browser Company has gotten for their Arc browser on Mac. Their primary focus is great UI and making an excellent b…

Firefox is fast though.

Yeah. Although I'm not trying to discount what others experience, I'm always confused to hear that Firefox is slow, because it seems just as fast as Chromium on my computer.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by dheera »

benjaminsuch wrote: post #154
dheera wrote: post #131

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> Where is their success Huh what? I use Firefox and I'm actually very happy with it.

Sure, but this is not the criteria for a company to be successful or not.

Since when do you get to define the criteria?

I'm a happy user, I consider that a success in my book.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by tristan957 »

LegitShady wrote: post #106
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

damn I wish I'd get x7 increase in salary in 7 years. This guy must know where some bodies are buried.

She is a woman.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by sgift »

tiahura wrote: post #60
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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What is so bad about the board? Besides not reigning in the CEO compensation.

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Post by rafram »

tiahura wrote: post #60
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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Post by debo_ »

munk-a wrote: post #108
ekianjo wrote: post #73

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Did I need to append a /s for people to get my comment?

Unfortunately yes - this view isn't so out there that it's not inconceivable that someone would genuinely express it.

You always have to /s here. I figure there are enough people reading HN who have different backgrounds in how they understand English that it's necessary.

Also important to label jokes.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by BossingAround »

jeroenhd wrote: post #123
BossingAround wrote: post #98

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That's exactly the problem though. I know it's somehow possible, but the fact that I have to search for what's the internal boolean name for whatever feature I want to disable is simply a bad dev UX. If there's a Firefox developer edition (I had no idea), they should enable all "I want to continue anyways" buttons by default. I mean, it's a developer edition!

To be fair, "thisisunsafe" isn't exactly an advocated feature either. I would like a better way to bypass these TLS errors, but hidden booleans and secret phrases aren't that dissimilar.

The biggest difference is a catch-all phrase vs feature-specific booleans. So rather than have one place for everything, you have multiple of booleans.

I agree that if there was at least one boolean to always show the "continue anyways" button, that'd be acceptable to me as well.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by sgift »

dheera wrote: post #162
benjaminsuch wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but this is not the criteria for a company to be successful or not.

Since when do you get to define the criteria? I'm a happy user, I consider that a success in my book.

The point is that less and less people use Firefox, so there seems to be a problem with success in that area, even if you are someone who still uses it (as am I).

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by NelsonMinar »

robin_reala wrote: post #28

It’s not on the brink, it’s that Firefox shims GA[1] with Enhanced Tracking Protection, which is on by default.[2] analytics.usa.gov uses GA. So you really can’t rely on usage figures that don’t represent the truth of your situation. [1] https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/413b88689f3ca2a30b... [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-now-ava...

Do you have a source for a more accurate picture of Firefox' market share? Every single report I've seen shows the same thing: long downward trend and a tiny fraction of the usage of Chrome and Safari.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by theandrewbailey »

taylodl wrote: post #133
btreecat wrote: post #82

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12s of your time is the cost of compromised morals? That seems p cheap and unfortunately indicative.

Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by d…

What really moved me away from Firefox was using Brave search. I had been using DuckDuckGo since the Snowden leaks. When DuckDuckGo announced they would derank results if they thought it was Russian propaganda or disinformation, I moved to Brave search. A week or so later, I decided that Mozilla was too woke for my liking, and started using Brave's browser, too.
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