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Firefox on the brink?

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by dheera »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #122
dheera wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like it's not that high for a CEO salary at a mature compnay. Staff-level engineers are routinely paid upwards of 1M these days (yay inflation). 6M for a CEO doesn't sound unreasonable. If these numbers sound high ... $1M today was $500K in 1996.

> Staff-level engineers are routinely paid upwards of 1M these days Yeah, at successful high performing trillion dolar tech companies like Nvidia or Apple, not broke*ss underperforming companies like Mozilla. >6M for a CEO doesn't sound unreasonable. It's unreasonable when you take into account Mozilla's lack of performance over the years. Where is their success, other than being kept on life support by being bankrol…

> Where is their success

Huh what? I use Firefox and I'm actually very happy with it.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by jeroenhd »

dartos wrote: post #18
nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I had the same after forcing Firefox to do hardware acceleration on my Nvidia GPU. Firefox wanted to disable it, but I wanted to use my GPU anyway. Perhaps try resetting the GPU acceleration configuration?

Firefox isn't as stable as I would like it to be, but it's much better than any Webkit alternative I can find on Linux.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by taylodl »

btreecat wrote: post #82
jjoonathan wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google finally beat my hands with a stick firmly enough to get me off Firefox. It was youtube. Not the ads -- I pay for premium -- but the fact that on FF they added an artificial 5s page load delay on firefox plus a bug has lingered for months where it always loads the last video, so you have to load every video twice. 12s/video is too much delay. Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

12s of your time is the cost of compromised morals? That seems p cheap and unfortunately indicative.

Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like?

Morals my ass!

I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by donations he made to support a ballot issue.

So yeah, the Mozilla Foundation can go straight to hell with that shit.

Good riddance!

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by Finnucane »

GeekyBear wrote: post #24

My anecdata shows that Google's recent decisions on the direction of Chrome and changes at Youtube have technically savvy users abandoning Chrome for Firefox,

Yes, every day Google seems to be doing things to drive people away, but it's not really moving the kinds of numbers that are going to make a difference. Also, some of those users will move to Chromium-based alternatives like Brave and Vivaldi, which might blunt some of the worst abuses but doesn't help ecosystem on the whole if you want a browser engine to exist that isn't controlled by Apple and Google.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by dblohm7 »

robin_reala wrote: post #114
Chabsff wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article, this is irrelevant. The case being made is that the figure seen by the government falling under 2%, which it is getting close to, will trigger a chain-reaction of consequences that will dramatically hurt Firefox, and it's not clear if Mozilla, the organization, could weather that. It doesn't particularly matter whether or not the figure is accurate in that context. Maybe that can be fixed easily by h…

USDS aren’t idiots, and if they haven’t realised this yet then maybe this post will focus attention. They want to support every citizen it’s reasonable to support (or at least I did when I was working for GOV.UK) and dropping support from a lack of knowledge shouldn’t be on the agenda.

Some of the USDS people are even ex-Mozilla!

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by LegitShady »

unglaublich wrote: post #22
BossingAround wrote: post #10

With Google trying to cripple adblocker extensions, I hope users will find their way back to Firefox.

Google cripples adblocker extensions because users won't find their way back to alternative browsers anymore.

like chrome it can change over time if the value proposition changes.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by frou_dh »

jacquesm wrote: post #11
pjmlp wrote: post #2

Yes, the Web has turned into ChromeOS, with the help of many folks that used to bash IE.

It's perfectly fine to bash both Chrome and IE.

Internet Explorer references are overall just stale. Most uses of the catchphrase "X is the new IE" are basically shorthand for "I personally don't like browser X".

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by hexo »

Beware - a rant ahead:

We can thank mozilla mgmt for consistently making "great" decisions, with UX changes, making it worse and worse over time. Introducing "features" not many really need or want. And of course making it less and less configurable, taking away options from power users "for sake of users", which of course are long gone and not coming back. They pretty much alienated their user base with every release more infuriating than previous. I've "upgraded" laptop to one with 16G ram, only to find firefox consistently eating up all my ram to the point when it's either killed by OOM (speaking of which - in-kernel oom killer got enshitified so bad it takes 1.5h+ to decide what to kill, unless you spend days researching how to setup your system) or by other precautionary means. For past few months I'm launching this browser in memory-restricted cgroup, it gets 7gigs. And you know what? It gets killed about 15-25 times a day because it eats more. The ram upgrade did not help. At all. They even took away option to limit process count, so now it spawns whatever amount it wants. As if the browser was the only thing running on computer. This is the primary reason folks left. The browser got maddeningly bad in terms of resource usage, UI and configurability. The rest 2.2% users have to suffer this. I suspect this is not going to change at all and I feel there is strong ($500M+) incentive from google for stuff to not improve at all.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by Miraste »

robin_reala wrote: post #114
Chabsff wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article, this is irrelevant. The case being made is that the figure seen by the government falling under 2%, which it is getting close to, will trigger a chain-reaction of consequences that will dramatically hurt Firefox, and it's not clear if Mozilla, the organization, could weather that. It doesn't particularly matter whether or not the figure is accurate in that context. Maybe that can be fixed easily by h…

USDS aren’t idiots, and if they haven’t realised this yet then maybe this post will focus attention. They want to support every citizen it’s reasonable to support (or at least I did when I was working for GOV.UK) and dropping support from a lack of knowledge shouldn’t be on the agenda.

GOV.UK is dramatically more competent than USDS, are they not? I admit I'm not terribly familiar, but I wouldn't want to depend on the agency behind the Department of Education and VA websites for anything. I've seen the VA site, in particular, do serious harm to the people it's meant to serve.
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