Firefox on the brink? • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by troupo » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

rsaz wrote: post #40

Is this bad for Google too? I thought Chrome needs Firefox to be somewhat successful so competition exists and the browser space doesn’t become a monopoly. Does the rising popularity of Safari and Edge negate this?

Yeah, they can now pretend that Edge is a different independent browser

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by ekianjo » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

> Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker's salary?

What a ridiculous question. Obvious the chief captain on the Titanic is not responsible for the Iceberg jumping at the boat.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by ravenstine » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

dartos wrote: post #18

nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I haven't used it super extensively with Wayland, but so far I've not experienced any crashes. To clarify, I've been using Firefox on Debian virtualized with QEMU on aarch64, and the compositor is Weston, so maybe there are quirks on other setups. Overall, it runs impressively.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by FourHand451 » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

malermeister wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The browser itself is good these days. All these complaints are themselves activist bullshit that doesn't really matter.

Is it? Firefox has had this sheen of "jank" for the past 6 years.

What exactly do you mean?

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by BossingAround » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #26

dartos wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I had that problem, too. It went away when I replaced my Nvidia card with an AMD one.

Ah, well, Nvidia still has a lot of problems with Wayland I hear, that might not be Firefox's (or Wayland's) error.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by jonhohle » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #23

dartos wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s still safari at 34% usage. :badpokerface:

Only because of iOS, I assume. But it looks like Apple might be forced to open things up and allow other browsers to run on iOS. If that happened, I'd expect Safari to drop like a stone.

Until people find they can’t get to lunch without having to charge their phones.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by throw10920 » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #28

It’s not on the brink, it’s that Firefox shims GA[1] with Enhanced Tracking Protection, which is on by default.[2] analytics.usa.gov uses GA. So you really can’t rely on usage figures that don’t represent the truth of your situation. [1] https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/413b88689f3ca2a30b... [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-now-ava...

The US government's page it uses to track web browser usage uses an analytics engine made by a company that makes its own web browser? That sounds like a pretty big issue!

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by bee_rider » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

The government should really have a requirement to support at least one fully open option. I don’t care about the secondary effects; I’m happy not to use sites by lazy devs who can’t support two JavaScript engines. But there aren’t many alternative providers for government services.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by caution » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #26

dartos wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I had that problem, too. It went away when I replaced my Nvidia card with an AMD one.

That's strange. I use Nvidia, on Wayland and have 0 issues with Firefox

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by tiahura » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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