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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

dartos wrote: post #18

nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I haven't seen a FF crash in the last five years and I typically have a few hundred tabs open across multiple instances.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by resonious » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

dartos wrote: post #18

nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

Huh... I've exclusively used Firefox on Wayland for a long time now due to good fractional scaling support (unlike Chrome which took ages to stop using x11 by default). I agree that the webgl/webgpu support is bad but haven't seen the whole-system slowdown.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by dartos » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #26

dartos wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

I had that problem, too. It went away when I replaced my Nvidia card with an AMD one.

I’m using an amd card :(

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by tiahura » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:36 PM UTC

I just wish they’d hire the guy that reversed engineered Grand Theft Auto to optimize the loading code to do something about the memory leaks.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

dartos wrote: post #18

nequo wrote: post #3

I want Firefox to not be on the brink. I have had no problems with it on Linux over the last few years since I switched from Chrome. I do not wish to touch Chrome with a ten-foot pole.

Firefox regularly crashes for me on wayland. It slows down my whole system when it tries to load a page in first boot (but librewolf doesn’t for some reason) the HID and webgl/webgpu support is bad… It’s just not a very good browser compared to chrome forks or webkit based ones.

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by loganmarchione » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down.

https://stateof.mozilla.org/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382

https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60...

Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010.

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share#monthly-2009...

Genuine question. What is justifying Mozilla Corporation CEO Mitchell Baker's salary?

- 2022 - $6.9m/yr

- 2021 - $5.5m/yr

- 2020 - $2.6m/yr

- 2019 - $3.0m/yr

- 2018 - $2.4m/yr

- 2017 - $2.2m/yr

- 2016 - $1.0m/yr

- 2015 - $997k/yr

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by franczesko » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

tommica wrote: post #7

What could get people to move to firefox? Is the only way really to have have your browser be popular is to have it either be installed by default, or being advertised on a page that people use daily? Would be crazy if facebook had a banner stating "switch to firefox now" suddenly

Firefox would need to win mobile. This is where action takes place.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by irrational » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

malermeister wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The browser itself is good these days. All these complaints are themselves activist bullshit that doesn't really matter.

Is it? Firefox has had this sheen of "jank" for the past 6 years.

Have you used it? I've used it as my primary browser for both personal use and web development for years and it has not been janky, at all.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by jandrese » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

malermeister wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The browser itself is good these days. All these complaints are themselves activist bullshit that doesn't really matter.

Is it? Firefox has had this sheen of "jank" for the past 6 years.

I don’t know where that comes from, Firefox has worked just fine for ages. The only place it sucks is on iOS.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by rsaz » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

Is this bad for Google too? I thought Chrome needs Firefox to be somewhat successful so competition exists and the browser space doesn’t become a monopoly. Does the rising popularity of Safari and Edge negate this?