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Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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post #16

Still beats most psychology papers

Tbh in both they are mostly alchemy with some more or less expert lingo put in to make it sound more scientific.

AI/ML resembles more alchemy than e.g. physics, putting stuff into a pot and seeing what comes out. A lot of the math in those papers doesn't provide anything but some truisms, most of it is throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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Excuse me? Step by step wasn't paper-worthy? Hard disagree.

LLM research is currently in its infancy, because they are no older than a few years old. And a research field in its infancy is bound to have a few noteworthy "no sh*t, Sherlock" papers that would be obvious from hindsight.

The fact is, LLMs are a higher-order construct in machine learning, much like a fish is higher-order than a simple cellular colony. Lower-order ML constructs do not demonstrate emergent capabilities like step by step, stream of consciousness thinking, and so on.

Academics should be less jaded and approach the field with beginner's eyes. Because we are all beginners here.

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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While I think the twitter post author is being a bit of an ass, they’re sort of right about the overvaluing we’ve put on simply better prompts. I wrote an opinionated GitHub gist about this exact issue:

https://gist.github.com/Hellisotherpeople/45c619ee22aac6865c...

I do the whole NLP publishing thing and I’ve hesitated to “write a paper” about applying techniques already known and used everywhere in the stable diffusion community to NLP models. That said, the AI community loves to pretend like they discovered something, such as a recent paper purporting to be the first to do “concept slider” Lora’s, despite these existing for months before that work was published on Civit.ai. The authors of course didn’t cite those already existing models.

Everyone chasing citations and clout hard right now because these professors and researchers realize that they only have 5-10 years before AI eats their jobs and most other white collar jobs. I don’t blame them. I want my mortgage paid off before I’m automated away!

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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post #7

If you do enough measurements on that new prompt then I don't see why this shouldn't be a paper. People overestimate the value of "grand developments", and underestimate the value of actually knowing - in this case actually knowing how well something works, even if it is as simple as a prompt. Compare with drug trials: Adderall only differs from regular amphetamine in the relative concentration of enantiomers, and th…

> Compare with drug trials: Adderall only differs from regular amphetamine in the relative concentration of enantiomers, and the entire value of the drug is in the measurements. Drug trials may be expected to be somewhat reproducible. What I don't get is how it can even be called research if it cannot be expected to be reproducible at all! GPT is a closed source/weights, proprietary product that changes every couple…

If I book telescope time and capture a supernova then no one will ever be able to reproduce my raw results because it has already happened. I don't see why OpenAI pulling old model snapshots is any different.

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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Excuse me? Step by step wasn't paper-worthy? Hard disagree. LLM research is currently in its infancy, because they are no older than a few years old. And a research field in its infancy is bound to have a few noteworthy "no sh*t, Sherlock" papers that would be obvious from hindsight. The fact is, LLMs are a higher-order construct in machine learning, much like a fish is higher-order than a simple cellular colony. Low…

NLP/Computational Lingustics is NOT a new field. The ACL was founded in 1962

LM research is also old, papers using very shitty LMs (I.e Markov chains) and discussing them have existed since the early 2000s and likely before.

Check yourself before you try to check others.

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Compare with drug trials: Adderall only differs from regular amphetamine in the relative concentration of enantiomers, and the entire value of the drug is in the measurements. Drug trials may be expected to be somewhat reproducible. What I don't get is how it can even be called research if it cannot be expected to be reproducible at all! GPT is a closed source/weights, proprietary product that changes every couple…

If I book telescope time and capture a supernova then no one will ever be able to reproduce my raw results because it has already happened. I don't see why OpenAI pulling old model snapshots is any different.

> If I book telescope time and capture a supernova then no one will ever be able to reproduce my raw results because it has already happened. I don't see why OpenAI pulling old model snapshots is any different.

That's why you capture multiple of them and verify your data statistically?

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

#28
Tired: Asking participants to sign an ethics pledge at the top of a tax return makes them more honest.

Wired: Asking an LLM to write out their steps first makes them more accurate.

They seem equally interesting to me, but one is a lot easier to replicate, and the other is easier to lie about.

Re: Sorry, but a new prompt for GPT-4 is not a paper

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post #17

Attacking the participants in a systemic shift is 100% useless as it doesn't target the culprit. In programming we have a similar phenomenon, that StackOverflow-driven (and I guess now GPT-driven) juniors have overtaken the industry and displaced serious talent. Because sufficient amounts of quantity always beats quality, even if the end result is inferior, this is caused by market dynamics, which operate on much cru…

> Because sufficient amounts of quantity always beats quality Hegel (as echoed by Marx): "merely quantitative differences beyond a certain point pass into qualitative changes" ( https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.240462397 ) I always found that an interesting observation, whatever you think of the rest of their works.

Hegel is a hack and doesn’t deserve to be cited here. Consider that he’s really only famous because his class motivated a bunch of other philosophers (the young Hegelian's, Marx, Stirner, Bruno Bauer et al) to meet in wine bars after class to complain about how terrible/impossible to understand his philosophy is.

Anyone whose even tried to read stuff of his I.e the phenomenology of spirit will tell you that he’s a charlatan and hack, and the people who constantly cite him (I.e Zizek, Lacan, Foucault) are also hacks.

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