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New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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> a small amount of olive oil, balsamic vinegar, or wine I think we can guess who write up the contract!

The contract doesn't specify what kind of balsamic vinegar. Supermarket balsamic is just a mixture of colourings and flavourings. Proper solera balsamic is sipped as an aperitif, and is much too expensive for me to have ever tasted.

It doesn't say the amount either, just that each item must be worth less than 20 british pence.

So it can be one drop of "Aceto Balsamico Tradizionale di Modena DOP", which is the real deal. Prices start at around 50€ for 100mL, but it can easily go into the 100s if you want the more premium ones (25 years). A single drop would fit the 20 pence bill.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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Any physicist here that can tell if this is the big breakthrough to a theory of everything?

Or just hype? Sorry, gun shy about believing big breakthroughs this year.

Quantum Gravity and Testable? Seems huge on the surface.

If it can be tested, then this is already worlds ahead of string theory.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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I wonder: does this theory explain any currently unexplained phenomenon? It may be testable, but that doesn't guarantee it to be correct. There could be another undescovered theory that also passes these tests. It feels weird to make up a theory, and then make up some tests to validate it, without mentioning the actual problem the theory is trying to resolve. It seems physicists just don't like there being two separa…

> It seems physicists just don't like there being two separate models, one for large things and one for small things, but it could be the universe is just like that, right?

No, it couldn't be just like that. There could exist a common umbrella theory that uses GR for certain objects and QM for others, but it would have to be a new theory that introduces a very important new info: the nature of the separation between the two.

Right now, all of the laws of QM say that it applies just as much to the motion of the Sun as to the motion of an electron. GR says the same. And yet, GR's predictions for how an electron behaves are clearly wrong. QM's predictions for how the Sun moves are closer to being correct (that is, QM + SR + Newtonian gravity), but it is hard to measure.

A unified theory has to either correct the equations of QM, GR, or both; or to add explicit boundaries to each of them. A theory that would say "an object moves according to the laws of QM if it's 0.00000001g or lower, and according to the laws of GR if it's any higher" (or any other distinguishing characteristic) would be an entirely new theory.

Interestingly, this new theory being proposed in the articles actually does something slightly in this vein: it says "QM applies to the electromagnetic, weak, and strong interactions, and GR applies to the mass/gravity interaction". It then finds a new way to account for the known inconsistencies between the math of each, apparently by getting rid of the assumption that a particle has a fixed mass (and thus fixed space-time curvature in GR).

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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> and this scale can be determined by another experiment where we test how long we can put a heavy atom in superposition of being in two different locations." Im a physics noob, but does this imply the theory helps explain why we usually only see quantum effects on the mucroscopic scale, since it says something about how heavy objects cant be put in superposition?

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Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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Can you give any examples of times you’ve easily anticipated X when a whole field of subject matter experts have demonstrably overlooked it?

Can't speak for OP, but I've had more than a few similar experiences (from both sides of the fence FWIW). I can think of one example in software deployment frequency. The observation (many years ago), was that it's painful and risky (therefore, expensive) to deploy software, so we should do it as infrequently as the market will allow. Many companies used to be on annual release schedules, some even longer. Many organ…

I don't see why a slow deployment cadence is a nightmare. When I've worked in that setting, it mostly didn't matter to me when something got deployed. When it did (e.g. because something was broken), we had a process in place to deploy only high priority fixes between normal releases.

Computers mostly just continue to work when you don't change anything, so that meant after the first week or so after a release, the chance of getting paged dropped dramatically for 3 months.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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What made them mysterious? Aren't there always some fraction of atoms or molecules with sufficiently high energy to escape the object?

The fact that you, a random internet guy, knows this makes me believe that the world's top experts on measuring this exact thing probably thought of it, and if there is a mysterious divergence this probably doesn't account for it.

Can they perform the calculations to estimate the fluctuations? Can they write an informal explanation about what happens to the gluons? I think the experience of seeing a factoid on the internet is being given too much weight here.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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The article mentions the 5000:1 odds bet, but reading the text of the bet itself is hilarious: >>> Whereas Carlo Rovelli and Geoff Penington firmly believe that gravity is better described by a quantum theory. >>> And whereas Jonathan Oppenheim is more sympathetic to other possibilities (i.e. doesn’t have a clue) ... [1] - https://www.ucl.ac.uk/oppenheim/pub/quantum_vs_classical_bet...

It's heartwarming to see these people have fun while still sticking to serious work. Everything should be like that.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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The various standard kilograms held by the national bodies, and the prototype standard kilogram in paris, were measured very precisely over the past hundred years, and their weights did seem to diverge mysteriously.

What made them mysterious? Aren't there always some fraction of atoms or molecules with sufficiently high energy to escape the object?

It's well known that they tend to gain weight, not lose it.

And yeah, the mystery is just what mechanism exactly affected each one. (AKA, not much of a mystery.) The possibilities are very well understood.

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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I'm neither seeing the cause being mentioned as unknown in that link, nor would the cause being unknown imply anything being mysterious? Like if you find that your car has broken down after 200k miles, you might not be able to determine the cause, but it wouldn't exactly be some kind of mysterious physical phenomenon that would puzzle scientists. Obviously, something wore out. Why/how is this any different?

Did you click on the other kilogram links (or other metric links which are also interesting?) A useful paragraph is the following: "The trend during the past century had been for most of BIPM's official copies to gain mass relative to the IPK, although by somewhat different amounts, averaging around 50 micrograms (millionths of a gram) over 100 years. But an alternative explanation is that the IPK was losing mass rel…

My theory: People are treating them with different degrees of reverence. They are careful to polish anything off the IPK, causing it to lose weight gradually through abrasion. The others gain wait through random adhesions, perhaps oils picked up by gloves used to handle them.

I'm just some random guy on the internet, I know. It's fun to have theories!

Re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What made them mysterious? Aren't there always some fraction of atoms or molecules with sufficiently high energy to escape the object?

It's well known that they tend to gain weight, not lose it. And yeah, the mystery is just what mechanism exactly affected each one. (AKA, not much of a mystery.) The possibilities are very well understood.

> And yeah, the mystery is just what mechanism exactly affected each one. (AKA, not much of a mystery.) The possibilities are very well understood.

Ahh, that makes more sense. Thanks!

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