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23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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If anyone who used the service, do you know if you can use it anonymously? I wanted to try it but I was afraid of exactly this. How feasible it is to use a payment and an address that doesn't directly connect you to your samples?

Find a private lab to do the test. It may be a bit more involved, and cost more money, but not by that much.

Do private labs have methods to provide similar information to 23andMe?

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#52
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the nature of the service, you should probably treat it as inherently pseudonymous. You're handing over irrevocable genetic data which will link you to relatives. Whatever their data protection assurances are, you have to imagine the worst case scenario - massive data leakage. And if this happens then you will in all likelihood be identifiable.

Obviously I don't trust any assurances, but on the other hand I'm handing over my genetic data all the time because parts of me end up over in the hands of 3rd parties whenever I go outside but they just happen not to run test on those. If I can have a test that is not connected to my persona, from their perspective the data would be as valuable as running a test on the hair in the barbershop or picking a random left…

There's quite a big difference between the DNA you leave in a forensic sense all around you (which would take a lot of effort and expense for someone to gather against your will) versus serving it up on a plate in a format that is trivially searchable for close matches against any relatives. The value is in the fact that millions of people's DNA is gathered in the same place in the same format, not the individual value of your DNA. It's a classic network effect.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#53

It does feel at this point that any company collecting data will be hacked, it's only a matter of "when" and no "if"...

Penalties should be strong enough that sites and apps do not collect more than an email address without very good reason. Just wanting to contact me with marketing literature is not a good reason.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#54
post #29

How much does that have to do with their TOS update which went out on thanksgiving DAY (the most perfect time to get lost in everyone’s inboxes). The TOS update somehow tries to forbid class actions, requires you to go through an “informal” 60 day process before any legal action, and forces you into binding arbitration. Functionally you as a customer have next to no legal rights, according to 23andMe lawyers who cook…

Does this hold up in court? At least in Germany any contracts that are heavily in favor of one side will be declared void if it comes to court.

Depends a lot on the jurisdiction several European courts have thrown put EULA's and TOS' agreements as being entirely invalid in a business to customer relationship, but im sure some American court somewhere will declare those as valid contracts.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#55
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's sort of like using Tor to log in to Facebook and expecting Facebook not to know who you are because your IP is obscured.

More like using Tor to create a FB account with made up information and expecting FB not know who you are because your IP is obscured and you use fresh browser profile. In your DNA doesn't tell your identity, there's DNA everywhere and it's not something hard to come by. The analysis is only valuable if can be connected to a persona, otherwise its just chemical reaction.

No, your analogy makes no sense. A fake facebook account is not identifying information. DNA is. They can figure out who you are based on the DNA alone, if they have enough data from your relatives.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#56
post #8

Something does not add up. "23andMe said the data breach was caused by customers reusing passwords" Yet 14,000 accounts were breached in one go? Where did these passwords come from? Maybe there was another related breach (something like lastpass can explain this)? Also, using the "DNA Relatives" features the hackers were able to access personal information relating to 6.9 million individuals. That means each one of t…

I don't find that surprising at all. There are publicly available large lists that compile many historical password breaches, they are easy for attackers (or anyone) to access and it's quite reasonable to expect that at least 0.1% of anyone's users (14k accounts out of 14m+ users) will be reusing a password that has been leaked elsewhere, unless you explicitly attempt to detect and invalidate such passwords e.g. as in yesterday's discussion on HN about Troy Hunt's work.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#57
Isn't it time governments start to regulate passwords ? (They already regulate a lot of privacy issues like medical and financial history. Some governments even regulate the use of finger print authentication of employees)

For example, any website that allows users to choose normal, easy to remember passwords should meet a long list of requirements: For example security audits, bug bounties, capital reserves to deal with class action suits.

Then small websites will start either implement Open ID or encourage their users to use password manages.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

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I can think of an easy model. Disallow collection of personal information. Pull the rug out from under "services" which are really just data collection fronts turning a profit from selling your data instead of the primary service/good for money transaction. 23andMe could still have operated legally under this scheme. They could have done the analysis and sent you a printed sheet. But no, they had to store everything…

What about people who would want to donate their data to further the research?

They can enrol in studies at actual (non-profit so they don't benefit from selling data, probably public funded) research institutes.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#59
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like using Tor to create a FB account with made up information and expecting FB not know who you are because your IP is obscured and you use fresh browser profile. In your DNA doesn't tell your identity, there's DNA everywhere and it's not something hard to come by. The analysis is only valuable if can be connected to a persona, otherwise its just chemical reaction.

No, your analogy makes no sense. A fake facebook account is not identifying information. DNA is. They can figure out who you are based on the DNA alone, if they have enough data from your relatives.

There are billions of addresses in the world and you can look it up online. It is an identifying information only when it is attached to an identity. That's exactly the same. DNA is everywhere, it's only identifying when connected to an identity.

Re: 23andMe confirms hackers stole ancestry data on 6.9M users

#60
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously I don't trust any assurances, but on the other hand I'm handing over my genetic data all the time because parts of me end up over in the hands of 3rd parties whenever I go outside but they just happen not to run test on those. If I can have a test that is not connected to my persona, from their perspective the data would be as valuable as running a test on the hair in the barbershop or picking a random left…

There's quite a big difference between the DNA you leave in a forensic sense all around you (which would take a lot of effort and expense for someone to gather against your will) versus serving it up on a plate in a format that is trivially searchable for close matches against any relatives. The value is in the fact that millions of people's DNA is gathered in the same place in the same format, not the individual val…

What's the difference of taking the DNA from a trash and from a plate delivered with fake information?
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