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Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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There's something weirdly universal about pierogi ruskie. I've not met anyone not liking them. Actually everyone I introduced to them loved the taste. (people usually try to look up polish delis / kitchens in the area that sell them afterwards) Given the simplicity of the ingredients, that's really impressive.

polish person here, i don't like them

sauerkraut+mushrooms pierogi are the best

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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post #11
post #4

There's something weirdly universal about pierogi ruskie. I've not met anyone not liking them. Actually everyone I introduced to them loved the taste. (people usually try to look up polish delis / kitchens in the area that sell them afterwards) Given the simplicity of the ingredients, that's really impressive.

polish person here, i don't like them sauerkraut+mushrooms pierogi are the best

Sure, if you post on the internet that everyone seems to like X, there's surely going to be "that one person" somewhere. But over a larger number of people this still mostly holds.

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There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

That only happened in the first few weeks/months following the invasion, and since then people returned to calling them "Ruskie". The general consensus is that the name refers to the historical area of Ruthenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia

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There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

I have been in Poland for much of the time since the war started, and while I have read news articles about this supposed new term pierogie ukraińskie , I don’t think I have ever seen it in the real world. The pierogis served at milk bars, or from Żabka to be microwaved, are still overwhelmingly referred to as ruskie . Even the Ukrainian cafe nearby serves them as pierogie ruskie .

Plenty of milk bars call them ukrainskie. Especially ones in Praga.

I’ve also noticed “pierogi kresowe” which is a reference to Kresy, a historical Polish region that includes Ruthenia, the origin of pierogi ruskie. I don’t recall ever seeing these before, so my guess is that the pierogi industry decided that Kresowe was a less controversial name to use.

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We eat the same dish in Romania, too. But we are calling them "colțunași".

I've eaten pierogi in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, and Russia, and the diversity and breadth of the dish makes them totally different than what you can find in Romania. I would say that colțunași are a subset of pierogi, since they're only filled with fresh cottage cheese filling and served only with sourcream (smântână). Also, I've encountered them only in the northern part of the country and nowhere else. So, I wouldn't say that we eat the same dish in Romania. Please let me know if you have found them in other parts of the country.

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I used to make these often for potluck parties that I hosted myself - in Pittsburgh, where pierogi are so famous the baseball team has pierogi mascots race each other. [1] They’re a real crowd pleaser, the only hard part is that rolling and folding the dough thin enough requires the finger dexterity of an old babcia. (Polish grandma.)

So, unfortunately my pierogi often ended up being 2-3x thicker than the authentic ones from Poland.

1. https://youtu.be/6w5MDNjg9zU

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post #3

There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

My friend told me "ruskie" is used as a somewhat pejorative description of a "Russian". Like Brits say "Yanks" about the Americans.

The other issue is that people don't know how to translate "ruski" to English, so they would say "Russian dumplings", but in reality they should be called "Ruthenian dumplings" from Ruthenian Voivodeship.

They probably seen tourists turn their nose on "Russian dumplings", so they renamed them to "Ukrainian".

Since most of the Ruthenian Voivodeship is now in Ukraine it somewhat makes sense, but it is not entirely correct. Just shows lazy thinking.

In the UK, those sold in supermarkets are no longer called "ruskie" but simply potato and cheese dumplings.

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+1 from me, as article mention one of the small annoyances I have.

My family comes from Red Ruthenia, region where ruskie pierogi comes from. Because of lingual characteristic they are usually linked to Russia (as mentioned in article) and so, with all the turmoil many restaurants decided to rename them: either to pierogi with potatoes and cheese or to galicean - as from Galicia, which is commonly perceived as Krakow (due to it being center of the region).

Krakow doesn't have as good pierogis (but there are other things worth seeing and eating there though) and is half-the-Poland away so it feels to me somewhat like a takeover of a legacy and stings. So if you ever have a chance - go visit Lublin or even smaller cities like Chelm or Zamosc. Food is absolutely terrific there (which I guess is thanks to charnozem soil [1] in the region).

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem

Re: Poland's Most Famous Dish: Pierogi

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post #3

There's an interesting shift in language associated with the Russian invasion of Ukraine - a type of pierogi which used to be called ruskie (from the region of Red Rus, where they originate) are now commonly named ukraińskie (Ukrainian) instead. The reason is that the adjective ruskie is typically understood as "Russian" in general parlance.

So it's basically a new version of the "Freedom Fries" mania, but with higher popularity?

We had a few instances of that in German supermarkets last year.
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