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Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Is this like how office workers "seem happy" after being forced to return to office? We have no data, but we are sure they are happy now. My work did lots of surveys about work from home, but have done zero surveys since forcing everyone to return to office. Gee... I wonder why?

How did this become about WFH?

Analogy

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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If I found out a school deleted files from one of my kid's personal devices without my permission, I'd be livid.

if a kid was playing banned games in my class, i'd want to do the same. why are kids' devices so special?

They aren't, but you shouldn't delete data in general off a device that isn't yours. Confiscate it like anything else and have the school provide it instead.

If the school cannot provide a necessary resource, that's a larger problem.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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do you have any repoed studies that show kids who were spanked as kids (not beaten) needed therapy as adults? AFAICT, all the parents I know that don't punish their kids have the worst kids with the most problems. I'm not saying you should spank your kids. I'm only questioning whether it actually causes any problems. I was spanked, my sister was spanked. All my cousins etc. None of us have any issues. We love our par…

Do you normally solve interpersonal conflicts in your life with physical violence? If the answer is no: why do you think it's appropriate to do so when dealing with children? (If the answer is yes, then consider anger management classes, I guess)

>Do you normally solve interpersonal conflicts in your life with physical violence?

There are tons of situations where violence is appropriate for interpersonal conflict, usually when someone won't listen to reason.

If I went into your house, ignored what you were saying, and then started smashing things or molesting your children, would you just sit there and protest politely?

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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As a former student of a Minnesota district right outside Minneapolis, it's interesting to me that they were allowed at all. When I was in school in the late 90's / early aughts we weren't even supposed to have our Discman or early MP3 players on school property. We all had them of course, but if they were seen they could be confiscated - I think it was largely an empty threat but I never saw anyone push it. Some tea…

This was always a curiosity to me, too. Same in my schools, no gameboys, graphing calc use monitored and restricted to specific classes, whether cheating or distraction things weren't allowed - smart phones are all those things and more. It didn't feel oppressive, either, it felt appropriate - like setting a tone, even when we were defying the rules lol

It was just annoying to me. They take away trading cards and game boys and at the same time this was when they were removing monkey bars and tether ball courts due to lawsuits.

What do you want students to do during recess? There's only 1 full basketball court and 2 single courts. We only had access to half the grass field for whatever reason so that limited soccer (and yeah, no full contact so Murica Football was soft banned. You could throw the pig skin and that's it).

If that's a shared experience, it's no wonder my generation is so scrutinous of authority.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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Are you comparing a human child with dogs, chimps and giraffes? Are you saying it's appropriate to communicate with physical violence in this context? What other human-to-human contexts are there where physical violence or the threat of physical violence is okay? I'm genuinely curious about this worldview, because I personally cannot empathize with this. It's abhorrent to me and my values.

I would argue that basically every human context includes the possibility of physical violence, usually for sufficient transgression the boundaries of others. If you walk out your door start groping people or try to run off someone's child, you will encounter violence pretty fast.

Considering the behaviors children typically get spanked for, these are severe crimes. Do we have a higher standard of behavior for children?

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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As a former student of a Minnesota district right outside Minneapolis, it's interesting to me that they were allowed at all. When I was in school in the late 90's / early aughts we weren't even supposed to have our Discman or early MP3 players on school property. We all had them of course, but if they were seen they could be confiscated - I think it was largely an empty threat but I never saw anyone push it. Some tea…

> They were also VERY suspicious any time you had your graphing calculator out outside math class, and some of the ruder study hall attendants would clear your calculators memory of games. That would have been a huge bummer becuase I wasn't playing games on mine, I was writing programs. It was actually the start of my professional programming career technically. I sold a copy of the program I wrote via link cable to…

The very first thing you did is write a program that prints a pixel-perfect "memory reset successfully" message to the screen as if you had just cleared it yourself :)

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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do you have any repoed studies that show kids who were spanked as kids (not beaten) needed therapy as adults? AFAICT, all the parents I know that don't punish their kids have the worst kids with the most problems. I'm not saying you should spank your kids. I'm only questioning whether it actually causes any problems. I was spanked, my sister was spanked. All my cousins etc. None of us have any issues. We love our par…

Do you normally solve interpersonal conflicts in your life with physical violence? If the answer is no: why do you think it's appropriate to do so when dealing with children? (If the answer is yes, then consider anger management classes, I guess)

The responsibilities and duties one has to their child vs an adult are quite different. Virtually every authority charged with last-resort solving interpersonal conflict issues (government) uses violence, as when all else fails some at least respond to that.

The reason why corporal punishment isn't used privately man to man is because we've delegated that to government, who happily sends men with guns to drag people violently in for reform. Spanking a child before they get to that point would be a favor.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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>Just repeating the headline doesn't make an article, it is literaly 3 sentences long... This makes it sound like you only read the three bullet points underneath the headline and didn't bother scrolling further, down to the parts where the middle school principal discusses the policy (aka, the actual article).

> didn't bother scrolling further Is it really his fault, or is it horrible UI/UX design?

Bullet points right beneath the article's headline are really commonplace these days. Even still, surely one would try scrolling to see if there's more, no?

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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This is a public forum..

Yes, and the words "in public" have meaning. And they don't mean on a website. For example, I don't argue with every person I meet in public. I was actually a top 0.1% salesperson for 10 years nationwide in my industry. I do great meeting women and have fun on bars. In public I'm great. On a random website, not in public, I'm different.

Downvoted again.. if I didn't know better I'd think I was drunk in public, risking a ticket. But luckily I'm just drunk at home on a website.

Re: Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellphone ban

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I know what you mean, but I'd love to hear what kind of emergency communication a child needs to make to an adult, or adult to child. (That isn't accomplished the exact same way via the school staff)

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More kids die in their parents car than in schools. Maybe parents should put the phone down and drive.
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