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Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

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Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#51
Reminds me of Ray Peat: https://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aspirin-brain-cancer.shtm...

Disclaimer: A lot of his stuff is pretty out there, and some of it may be outright wrong. I don’t recommend following his advice, but a lot of his writing is at least interesting.

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#52
post #42

This has to be balanced against this news: "Daily low dose aspirin increases brain bleeding risk by 38% in older adults." See: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/low-dose-aspirin-r...

Yes, we need to see a long-term study of all cause mortality before recommending this intervention for primary prevention.

There are probably many as per article.. here is one: https://aspree.org/aus/for-clinicians/

Focused on elderly, i think mostly started with subjects at 70? So depends on how 'long term' you mean. :)

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very skeptical about these side effect claims. Do you have hard data supporting this or doctor hearsay. Years ago I remember watching Charlie Rose Brain series where one of the professors said something like “ we know of two drugs that we are certain are very safe for human beings: alcohol and aspirin.”

> “ we know of two drugs that we are certain are very safe for human beings: alcohol and aspirin.” I am not sure I understand. We know alcohol isn’t safe, let alone very safe, in any quantity. So immediately this seems contradictory?

That appears to have been the point.

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#54
post #25

Tomorrow's news will say it will be a 20% increase in some other desease...

Aspirin is anti-inflammatory. A huge number of illnesses are caused or worsened by inflammation. Aspirin is likely to show benefit for a huge variety of conditions.

This was my first thought.

It's a complicated topic, biochemically / physiologically, however. Guidelines and recommendations have changed many times in the past couple of decades. With the scale of epidemiological data collection and specific studies carried out in recent years, conclusions are still rather "mixed".

There are many reasons to think, mechanistically, that aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) should come out "net positive" in its effects on human health. But, even some of the "prostaglandins", for example, can be important in endothelial function and health (in a positive way).

I will note that I haven't kept up with this topic much in at least 5 or so years, but, I can point to a couple of sources with some analysis / discussion that should be of use to most, I think:

https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/aspirin-making-sense-cha...

https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/uspstf/recomme...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2791399

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-pharmtox-0...

I specifically remember concerns roughly 10+ years ago that some of the expected net benefits might, in fact, actually be net harms in the broader population - particularly for other NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs), but, even, at some point not long thereafter, for "aspirin" as well. I may dig out that info if I get a chance to try to refresh, myself, and will comment again if / when I do.

I always think of Lewis Black's bit on this, though (while pointing out that this is the nature of science and its best to go with the best info available at any time, generally, IMO):

https://youtu.be/iRsTtzYhTxk?t=5m27s

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

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post #41

This has to be balanced against this news: "Daily low dose aspirin increases brain bleeding risk by 38% in older adults." See: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/low-dose-aspirin-r...

Which is worse?

I know which one I would rather die from. It isn’t cancer.

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#56

This has to be balanced against this news: "Daily low dose aspirin increases brain bleeding risk by 38% in older adults." See: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/low-dose-aspirin-r...

Brain bleeding is very rare. That 38% number is a *relative risk ratio*. I'm always wary of studies that use such ratios to make an effect seem large. The following excerpts from the article you cited state:

For the study, the researchers analyzed data from 19,114 adults with an average age of 74 years old.

Altogether, 1.1% of those taking aspirin (108 individuals) experienced intracranial bleeding, while the same was true for 0.8% of those taking a placebo (79 individuals).

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#57
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is worse?

I know which one I would rather die from. It isn’t cancer.

Well the worseness has to be counteracted by how likely it is. A 38% increase in something quite rare (brain bleeds) is nowhere near as impactful as a 20% reduction in cancer, which is much more common.

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#58

Probably more like lower inflammation reduces all cause mortality.

I wonder if this is a reduction in mortality that was caused by an increase in chronic inflammation from modern life, stress and obesity.

In a healthy fit human, inflammation is a good thing, it is the body's construction and maintenance crew. Chronic inflammation is not good, but that is a side effect of an underlying issue (in my understanding so far)

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#59
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know which one I would rather die from. It isn’t cancer.

Well the worseness has to be counteracted by how likely it is. A 38% increase in something quite rare (brain bleeds) is nowhere near as impactful as a 20% reduction in cancer, which is much more common.

From 0.8% of people averaging 70 years of age to 1.1%. I’ll take those odds, cancer is hell.

Re: Taking low-dose aspirin is associated with 20% reduction in cancer deaths

#60
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very skeptical about these side effect claims. Do you have hard data supporting this or doctor hearsay. Years ago I remember watching Charlie Rose Brain series where one of the professors said something like “ we know of two drugs that we are certain are very safe for human beings: alcohol and aspirin.”

Anecdata: even a few days of low-dose aspirin causes me terrible GI pain and exacerbates an otherwise 30-year dormant ulcer. I would love to be able to take it, but I can't tolerate it at all.

What was your dosage? Tried dissolving in water?
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