So can I sell a camera with the following description? SpyCam Disclaimer: should not be used for spying
Spycams are legal to sell without the disclaimer, so adding the disclaimer isn't going to make it less legal.
Judge: Amazon "cannot claim shock" that bathroom spycams were used as advertised
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I like having a Wild West, but it should be clearly advertised as such. AliExpress and eBay are clearly Wild West platforms and I appreciate them. Getting scammed on Amazon is different. Amazon should be fully liable since very sophisticated customers can be confused by commingling, marketplace settlers, algorithmic recommendations, etc. all designed to look legitimate to the unwary while being completely unsafe. I s…
I like having an online store with better selection than whatever I can get at the local Big Box store. People forget how bad it was before Amazon, packages took weeks to deliver with even less accountability than Amazon (i.e no reviews). I remember the days of paying $40 for a 3 foot HDMI cable. Bought an unsafe or defective product at a “Trusted” retailer? Enjoy your $3.50 check from the class action lawsuit 3 year…
> I remember the days of paying $40 for a 3 foot HDMI cable.
Only if you needed it right away, though? And even then, back when Google search actually worked, I was able to get an HDMI cable within walking distance (in Beverly Hills, no less) by searching for "cheap HDMI cable Beverly Hills". You'd only pay full freight if you were buying for something important, like a business meeting, that meant you needed it right now and didn't have time to look. That was over a decade ago. I bought most of my stuff from two local businesses that have, unfortunately, discontinued their retail sales in one case (it was never a big part of their business, they mostly do bespoke projects to wire auditoriums, churches, schools, etc. for AV gear) and gone out of business in the other.
Re: Judge: Amazon "cannot claim shock" that bathroom spycams were used as advertised
#133Welcome to every AirBNB.
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#134Is there an archive snapshot of the Towel bar Cam product page as displayed by Amazon? Kinda wondering what the product actually looks like, and how Amazon allowed it to be presented. Edit: whoa, @navels how'd you do that?! Thank you, amazing: https://web.archive.org/web/20230527030738/https://www.amazo... The product reviews are creepy. -- Rest of my comment for posterity: There's an image in TFA, though it's only a…
Dear courts, do this one next https://www.amazon.com/Bathroom-Shower-Security-Cameras-Outd... The product description is... wild.
> You don't have to worry about thieves or your child's babysitter any longer.
LMAO I hate it when thieves steal my hot water
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I mean I also have a morbid curiosity, but is there anything that could have been there that would have made it ok? This isn't lock picks were a lot of people buy them to mess around with and to get back into their own property
Absolutely. Making sure the help is not stealing. Spying on a spouse you suspect is cheating in your home. Filming contractors while they work in a room to make sure they’re not cutting corners etc.
In theory, you could use a bathroom spy cam for a non-nefarious purpose, such as checking whether someone is flushing their meds instead of taking them, but it's a fairly contrived scenario.
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Absolutely. Making sure the help is not stealing. Spying on a spouse you suspect is cheating in your home. Filming contractors while they work in a room to make sure they’re not cutting corners etc.
In theory, you could use a bathroom spy cam for a non-nefarious purpose, such as checking whether someone is flushing their meds instead of taking them, but it's a fairly contrived scenario.
I mean one of the examples above is a regular hook. Those can go in any room and there are plenty of non contrived scenarios for those, check my comment above.
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"you can't sell a spy cam that looks like a towel hook" is sort of too broad and too specific to be a good law. what does "looks like a towel hook" actually mean? a law like this would end up having some unintended consequences, where bad actors use it for something like claiming all their competitors products look like towel hooks. i think what's happening here is really the ideal solution: you can sell a camera tha…
I'm not sure I can agree with either of you. I definitely don't agree with "thing I don't like should be illegal". And I can't really agree with "People who sold something I don't like should be liable for it's use". I think the "blame" for objects should lie in the people that misuse them. Now, obviously, it's a little hard to come up with legitimate reasons to have a towel hook camera. However... All you're asking…
>I think the "blame" for objects should lie in the people that misuse them
the case here specifically isn't about misusing things though, it's about using things for exactly the purpose it was advertised for.
"these super small cameras should be illegal" is, again, vague and has probably unintended consequences. for example, an ESPCam has all sorts of legitimate uses, but could easily be turned into a spy cam. should that be illegal?
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#138How do you prove a previous tenant did not put the device in place,and forget it on their way out? OR, plan to rent again in the future with hopes of picking it up?
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Dear courts, do this one next https://www.amazon.com/Bathroom-Shower-Security-Cameras-Outd... The product description is... wild.
> You don't have to worry about thieves or your child's babysitter any longer. LMAO I hate it when thieves steal my hot water
Gotta throw the babysitter into the description just in case your imagination is so limited that you ACTUALLY think this is about catching thieves taking a shower in your home during a break in.
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It's advertised as a towel hook. By their own admission, the product is designed, meant and marketed to be used in a bathroom. That's what's great about the case. They can't claim that they're not liable because it is meant for legitimate use because they advertise specifically for an illegal use. By their own admission, they have to find a legitimate use of a bathroom spy cam.
The archive.org copy of the listing linked elsewhere in this thread shows it listed as a clothes hook. One of the photos does show towels on it, suggesting it can work as a towel hook, but another shows a coat on it and is not in a bathroom.
Doesn't matter what other uses they marketed; they also marketed it as a bathroom spycam. They have to explain what legitimate use there is of marketing a bathroom spycam.
Its kinda nasty, actually. stretching it, there might be legitimate reasons for a camera in a bathroom (say the elderly, or making sure a drug test is done honestly). But a hidden camera? No way.