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Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by j45 » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:50 PM UTC

fooop wrote: post #310

yieldcrv wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people are looking for an all controlling force in the country or world instead, I see a lot of demigods that rule their domain, curating complete autonomy as long as they stay within the confines they finessed

the world these days is becoming more and more medieval: many different actors, all competing with one another, at different levels of power. Imo, it's a good thing: regular ppl will be more suspicious about power overall and not make as many bad safety/convenience trades.

Assuming people are educated and aware enough to begin with to recognize and then deal with it.

The right to read was literally only locked up a few hundred years ago.

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by Vicinity9635 » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #299

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #221

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I'm not following your reasoning here. There are people working with the topic that is online disinformation. I know Swedish government have some teams who analyze disinformation campaigns, as an example. Are you saying that people who work with this area cannot be experts on the area?

I can't speak for the OP but take into the current Media Matters "outing" of X over the ad placement next to anti-semitic content. Basically Media Matters juiced the X algorithm to give them less than 10 impressions of big ad spend clients ads next to anti-semitic comments they entered on their own sock puppet accounts (with few or little followers), then passed that contrivance off as truth, stating brand-destroying…

Every time I come across a "disinformation expert" they seem to be the ones spreading disinformation.

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by maxwell » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

byyoung3 wrote: post #217

next post: Y combinator removes Hardvard/Meta post after 1B investment from Meta

They did change the link from https://live-whistleblower-aid.pantheonsite.io/joan-donovan-...

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by graphe » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:52 PM UTC

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #50

intrasight wrote: post #13

I just read that this morning. I'm interested enough in the outcome that I put a calendar reminder 6 months out to check what happened. Doing so made me wonder if there's a service that would email me updates about legal cases like this that I would like to follow.

Who would pay for this? Random people like you and me wouldn't pay for something they're gonna use twice in their lifetime, and lawyers surely have something like this, possibly integrate with all the other tools they use.

Why does it need to be paid?

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by mynameisash » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:52 PM UTC

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #318

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Who says that social media disinformation didn't exist four years ago?

And even if one were to grant that, how long should a field exist before there can be an expert?

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by prosqlinjector » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:53 PM UTC

jasonlotito wrote: post #70

prosqlinjector wrote: post #7

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> "Following" is a... word Yes, you are correct, it's a word. > journalism... is meant to imply causality without demonstration That's not true at all. It's easy to make claims when you are selective about what you read, ignore context, and make up lies. > Either make it clear you are speculating about two events being connected, or get evidence that links them. Says the person speculating about the definition of fol…

Would you be persuaded by more examples of headlines using this technique?

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by godelski » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:54 PM UTC

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #308

godelski wrote: post #197

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There's a joke from a comedian I forget if it is L̶o̶u̶i̶s̶ ̶C̶K̶ George Carlin o̶r̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶. But basically is along the lines that you don't have explicitly collude when you all come from the same backgrounds. The interests are aligned already. It's pointing out that representatives need to actually be from representative populations of people. But he did it in a funny way, this comment really isn't. Edit: thanks lo…

Yes I basically took verbatim what George Carlin said because it's one of the best points of view on "conspiracies" I've ever heard. I don't understand how did you get the impression that I was trying to be funny? It's a fairly serious description of the reality we live in.

> it's one of the best points of view on "conspiracies" I've ever heard.

It's actually how I often think of conspiracy. Not a bunch of men sitting in a room plotting together but a bunch of independent actors with convergent incentives. Also my litmus test for real bona fide conspiracy (Watergate or Contra Affair) vs crackpottery is if it can be boiled down to "wizards did it." It's always interesting that conspiracies work out to essentially making one feel safe in a world of all powerful but evil men rather than the discomfort of a chaotic world. Flat Earth stands out a bit because I still don't know who gains from it...

> I don't understand how did you get the impression that I was trying to be funny?

I didn't. I said Carlin was funny and that I was not. I honestly wasn't even aware you were referencing Carlin (at a direct level at least, since I did make the connection). It just reminded me of his statement (which now I understand as your intent. The subtle nod reference).

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by godelski » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:55 PM UTC

kjkjadksj wrote: post #304

smolder wrote: post #274

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There's no P in Chomsky, FYI.

Thanks, fixed.

Lots of corrections in this thread chain haha. It's actually a delight to see a chain of "ops, thanks" and no one fighting.

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by skilled » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC

byyoung3 wrote: post #217

next post: Y combinator removes Hardvard/Meta post after 1B investment from Meta

The comments were moved from another thread to here since the original submission didn’t have a lot of substance and some people were complaining.

A bit of a dilemma in the karma sharing department as that feature is not yet implemented.

But seeing as how this story got 1,000 points in 2 hours in the original submission, it should probably be back on top.

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E: More context here,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38521109

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by Vicinity9635 » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 6:56 PM UTC

mynameisash wrote: post #325

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #318

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Who says that social media disinformation didn't exist four years ago? And even if one were to grant that, how long should a field exist before there can be an expert?

>Who says that social media disinformation didn't exist four years ago?

I've seen zero evidence that it did. Propaganda, sure. But 'disinformation'? No.

>And even if one were to grant that, how long should a field exist before there can be an expert?

Probably more than three years. It feels like people latching onto the profit opportunity to shore up eastablishmen narratives under a fancy new buzzword more than a real objective science.