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Re: Django 5.0

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Post by ralmidani »

snoopsnopp wrote: post #61
ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

Totally agree, but is Ember truly the most stable? This is pretty much my only criteria for JS at this point.

If you want a heavyweight JS framework, Ember is the most stable and best supported. I enjoyed Ember when I used it in the 2015-2017 time frame.

But I’m abandoning the heavy JS paradigm in favor of htmx. Aside from the fact that I don’t want to duplicate routing and data validation across client and server, htmx is intentionally a single JS file with no build step, so in theory it should run fine as long as browsers maintain backward compatibility.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by megaman821 »

miiiiiike wrote: post #70

Are there any large sites that use Django Ninja? I've been using DRF for about a decade and there hasn't been a moment of enjoyment or ease. I adore Django but wish it had an official REST contrib package. [0] With DRF dragging its feet on async (leaving it to a third-party library) I just want to quit. I'm building a new async api soon, are there any Django Ninja case studies? I can't find anything. [0]: Using Djang…

Django Ninja just hit 1.0 a few weeks ago. I think you are going to have to be patient to find large sites using it in production.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by Svetlitski »

While I don’t use it anymore and have been out of the web dev space completely for a few years now, I personally feel I owe a lot to Django. It’s the framework behind the first software I wrote that other people actually used and depended on. While looking back at it now the first Django code I wrote was pretty awful, it’s astonishing how much the framework lets you accomplish. Without knowing much at all about web development or databases, following the Django tutorial is sufficient to get you started with a very basic web app, and you can grow from there. Couple this with the superpower that was deploying to Heroku, and it made for a fantastic introduction to web dev and shipping software to real users.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by ralmidani »

mattwad wrote: post #63
ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

As a full-time Node.js dev, I agree with your decision! Too much time is wasted on compatibility problems. I'd almost say it was easier when we just had browsers to deal with. At least you could just drop in jQuery and call it a day.

Yes, jQuery is often derided as outdated, but it worked quite well for a very long time, with minimal hassle for developers. In fact, I was working full-time on static Elixir/Phoenix pages with jQuery sprinkled on top as late as 2022… it felt a bit clunky but it worked as advertised and wasn’t frustrating in any significant way.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by miiiiiike »

megaman821 wrote: post #72
miiiiiike wrote: post #70

Are there any large sites that use Django Ninja? I've been using DRF for about a decade and there hasn't been a moment of enjoyment or ease. I adore Django but wish it had an official REST contrib package. [0] With DRF dragging its feet on async (leaving it to a third-party library) I just want to quit. I'm building a new async api soon, are there any Django Ninja case studies? I can't find anything. [0]: Using Djang…

Django Ninja just hit 1.0 a few weeks ago. I think you are going to have to be patient to find large sites using it in production.

I've never heard of anyone using it in production, period. The one thing FastAPI had going for it back when it was announced was a list of companies and groups with it deployed that minute.

Is it a "1.0 because we think it's done and you should try using it now. Maybe it'll work." Or "This is a solid 1.0 that has been tested in production. You can expect reasonable api stability."

FastAPI launched with option three: "We're going to get our friends to use it in production so we can say it's deployed by Microsoft, but, this is definitely a pre-alpha."

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by collyw »

vanviegen wrote: post #55
asylteltine wrote: post #54

I like Django rest framework a lot. It was really easy to make something with react and call Django directly however the templating engine is also great. It’s so strange people still use rails

> It’s so strange people still use rails Why? What makes Django better? (Genuinely curious.)

I never used Rails, but people who use both said that thy were pretty similar. Python had the advantage of scientific libraries (which was useful for what I was building), while Rails was a bit more web dev focused.

Rails does seem to have fallen out of favor over the last decade, while Django enjoyed a more steady level of popularity. I guess Python is a more popular language.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by winrid »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

Django and django-unicorn is really nice. It feels like meteorjs but for Django, extremely productive. I've been working with the creator closely and he's awesome.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by radus »

st3fan wrote: post #60

Type hints everywhere?

No, as I understand it, the Django project's stance on type hints is that they aren't going to be added any time soon, but they are willing to accept small PRs that are needed by external type-checkers on a case by case basis. Details here: https://github.com/django/deps/pull/65

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by collyw »

number6 wrote: post #46
scrollaway wrote: post #24

A huge part of the work I did the past year (and still do sometimes, email in my profile) was helping people transition from a full legacy django app to a lightweight django backend with rest api and a react frontend. Django Ninja makes it especially pleasant. I think django should really embrace this in the future. Make it easier to drop the superfluous parts; forms, templates … I don’t know what that will look like…

We are using Django "Legacy" Apps.I am puzzled by the "new" Single Page Applications (SPAs). They require extensive routing, authentication, and GraphQL integration, all of which are already handled by Django's ORM and views.Additionally, Django efficiently manages forms. The primary advantage I see in SPAs is enhanced reactivity, which certainly improves user experience. However, HTMX seems sufficient in this aspect…

Twice as much code for the same functionality. They are better if you have a heavily interactive frontend. But th majority of apps don't need that. Github uses a traditional server side renderrd app, if I am not mistaken, and no on has complained about that.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by ralmidani »

rigoleto wrote: post #65
ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

> I’m going to skip the drama and just use htmx for the client-side. Render Django templates server-side, include a single JS script, thrown in some HTML attributes, distinguish between full page requests vs. requests for a partial with updated data, and call it a day. More of a side comment, but I'm skeptical of the way HTMX encourages partial renders like this. It feels like a premature optimization that adds more…

There is a header that htmx injects to indicate you want a partial render, and it’s really not that hard to add an if on the server-side to check for it. A larger codebase would probably break templates up anyway for maintainability, so it’s just a tiny amount of extra work if you want to reduce the amount of HTML being sent over the wire and swapped in.
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