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Re: Django 5.0

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Post by snoopsnopp »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

Totally agree, but is Ember truly the most stable? This is pretty much my only criteria for JS at this point.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by nprateem »

number6 wrote: post #46
scrollaway wrote: post #24

A huge part of the work I did the past year (and still do sometimes, email in my profile) was helping people transition from a full legacy django app to a lightweight django backend with rest api and a react frontend. Django Ninja makes it especially pleasant. I think django should really embrace this in the future. Make it easier to drop the superfluous parts; forms, templates … I don’t know what that will look like…

We are using Django "Legacy" Apps.I am puzzled by the "new" Single Page Applications (SPAs). They require extensive routing, authentication, and GraphQL integration, all of which are already handled by Django's ORM and views.Additionally, Django efficiently manages forms. The primary advantage I see in SPAs is enhanced reactivity, which certainly improves user experience. However, HTMX seems sufficient in this aspect…

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Re: Django 5.0

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Post by mattwad »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

As a full-time Node.js dev, I agree with your decision! Too much time is wasted on compatibility problems. I'd almost say it was easier when we just had browsers to deal with. At least you could just drop in jQuery and call it a day.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by dinkleberg »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

I'm with you on this, Django + HTMX + Vanilla JS (where needed) just works which is a beautiful thing.

Is building out the UI clunkier with Django templates than with JSX? Absolutely.

But not having to worry about both server and client side state is such a time saver and you know it is going to continue to work.

For the past few years I've been using Go (using Gin) in place of Django, and it works nicely and is quite a bit faster. However, recently I've been toying around with Django again, thinking about making it my default for new projects because it really does take care of so much that you'd otherwise have to deal with yourself.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by rigoleto »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

> I’m going to skip the drama and just use htmx for the client-side. Render Django templates server-side, include a single JS script, thrown in some HTML attributes, distinguish between full page requests vs. requests for a partial with updated data, and call it a day.

More of a side comment, but I'm skeptical of the way HTMX encourages partial renders like this. It feels like a premature optimization that adds more complexity on the back end. `hx-select` takes care of it, but to me it feels like it should be the default (it's what Unpoly does).

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by vangale »

apstats wrote: post #23

Django seems great but also incredibly complex. I am never able to find any good example projects that use it with react and aren't just a toy which is bit of a bummer, because I think that would be a great stack.

Posthog uses react for front-end and django for back-end. https://posthog.com/handbook/engineering/project-structure

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by collyw »

jmduke wrote: post #22

My app is a Django backend and a Vue frontend. There are large swathes of Django that I ignore, but to me the core of Django — its ORM, routing and middleware system, and admin interface — are worth their weight in gold. The migration from DRF to Django-Ninja (which is, roughly, FastAPI + Django) has also been a great improvement in terms of productivity and performance. Not a lot of whizbang features in 5.0, but Gen…

Agreed, the admin makes development so much easier, being able to easily enter and view your data.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by dinkleberg »

har777 wrote: post #48
DarkNova6 wrote: post #11

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> The ORM model is the best I've ever worked with and any other always feels clunky with sharp edges to cut you when you hold it wrong. Idk. I have to grant that Django ORM likes to make your life easy, but lazy loading on property calls is a dark pit full of shap punji sticks. Just overlook one instance where this is happening in a loop and say goodbye to performance and hello to timeouts left and right...

Simple middleware can warn you about lazy loading/N+1 queries. Most of the time people just forget it happens. Try using: https://github.com/har777/pellet Disclaimer: I built it :p You can easily see N+1 queries on the console itself or write a callback function to track such issues on your monitoring stack of choice on production.

That looks handy, thanks for sharing! I used to use some other n+1 logger, but yours actual shows the query which is more useful.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by loughnane »

I can’t tell if it’s Django or just how I use it—-I’m a mechanical engineer by training and only dabble on web dev—-but I deeply appreciate how it gives me enough abstraction to get going but doesn’t get too far ahead of itself. If I go away for a year or two then come back I still get what’s going on. Meanwhile anything I try on JS land has gone through a few half-lives.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by miiiiiike »

Are there any large sites that use Django Ninja?

I've been using DRF for about a decade and there hasn't been a moment of enjoyment or ease. I adore Django but wish it had an official REST contrib package. [0] With DRF dragging its feet on async (leaving it to a third-party library) I just want to quit.

I'm building a new async api soon, are there any Django Ninja case studies? I can't find anything.

[0]: Using Django..

Me in 2008 — "How do I get data from a PUT/PATCH request without a library?"

Me in 2023 — "How do I get data from a PUT/PATCH request without a library?"

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