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Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by lovecg » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

istjohn wrote: post #83

firebat45 wrote: post #66

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This is such a naive viewpoint. Let's say that people are not allowed to have more than 10 million dollars, but corporations are. Then it wouldn't be Zuckerberg's money, it would simply be Facebook's, wielded by Zuckerberg. I hope you can see the ridiculousness is saying that corporations should be limited in wealth as well, but even if you can't, let's assume they are limited the same. Now it becomes easier to buy t…

Just who is buying off these corporations if no one has vast wealth?

Foreign entities? Of course, we should ban that as long as we’re at it. Next you’ll have people using vastly superior foreign products, we better ban that as well. And if people decide to leave the country en masse because they’re too morally weak and desire wealth, we can’t have that either, so better build a wall.

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by gessha » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

The better move for the Harvard team is to pivot to investigating Facebook’s big name adversaries (Apple?) and aim to get them on the board turning the university into a corporate influence battleground. \s

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by gsmo » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

Not excusing what Harvard and Zuckerberg did. Joan Donovan is not an advocate for transparency and open discourse, either. Google her name and you will find she is quite alright with censoring.

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

Tempest1981 wrote: post #69

Kapura wrote: post #45

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what if we had laws that prevented people from obtaining disproportionate amounts of wealth? Seems like it'd be a lot harder to buy a school if being a multi-billionaire is impossible.

There are some billionaires who are literally asking to be taxed more. Not much success convincing US govt.

Because they are full of shit. Where is the "pro billionaire tax" think tank and super-PAC they are funding?

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by oaththrowaway » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

eggy wrote: post #82

It makes you wonder how much the Zucherbergs influenced the 2020 election with "Zuckerbucks". They were cleared by the Feds, but then even that investigation becomes suspect with these large sums of money and influence. Conservatives claimed it went towards bolstering voting in largely Democratic regions, or in a biased distribution and application of the funds.

I hope you aren't insinuating election fraud!!!

Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

hellozomo wrote: post #168

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Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #184

Doesn't matter even if true. Anyone wanting to be taken seriously on "disinformation" would get as far away as possible from a place like Harvard in the first place.

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Re: Ousted propaganda scholar accuses Harvard of bowing to Meta

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Post by radlad » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

gsmo wrote: post #203

Not excusing what Harvard and Zuckerberg did. Joan Donovan is not an advocate for transparency and open discourse, either. Google her name and you will find she is quite alright with censoring.

This comment would be more interesting if you provided specifics.

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Post by dinkleberg » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

doublemint2203 wrote: post #37

gumballindie wrote: post #23

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Politics (as in the game of power) and corruption are human nature. Pushing back against these are equally human nature. The worse it gets the more intense the push back. The push back seems to be at moment taking the shape of voting in far right or trump like politicians accross the world. They won't solve the issue. Therefore the next level of intensity may very well be revolution.

imho, you're wrong: it may not be "human nature" as much as it is prisoner's dilemma. few, but some, humans are just as inherently averse to corruption as someone may be inherently prone to it. it's a matter of "if I don't take this bribe, someone else will"

That is still human nature. Not everyone will exhibit those traits, but when looking at the entirety of humanity, these traits are certainly part of our nature.

And the prisoner's dilemma is a way of exploring/explaining these traits (though I expect these aren't exclusive to humans).

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Post by hanniabu » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

93po wrote: post #110

loceng wrote: post #88

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It was only in the last few years did I realize the massive endowments many universities have make them ripe targets for bad actors to make their way into administration.

The few very large unis i looked into all made massively more money off investment returns than any operational income. the year i reviewed for the university of texas system showed they could have charged zero tuition that year and still make a profit there are absolutely kickbacks for people in control of those endowments choosing specific investment options with their many billions of dollars

And they still have the nerve to call alumni for donations