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Re: Django 5.0

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Post by stavros »

danpalmer wrote: post #16
alberth wrote: post #6

What's the preferred Python Web Framework these days? I've read a lot of love for Litestar (formerly Starlite), since it seems people prefer it over FastAPI, Flask, etc. https://litestar.dev Or is the preferred web framework still Django?

I've always felt, and this hasn't changed recently, that if you're going to need more than, say, 3 of the cross cutting concerns that Django provides for, then it'll be much more maintainable in the long run to just use Django rather than effectively building a custom solution out of parts. The flip side: if you're building a small internal API that only needs a couple of these, Django might be overkill. What do I me…

I half-agree with you, I've found that there are two options when choosing a framework:

1. You're making something with 100 lines, which you're absolutely sure will stay 100 lines. Go with Flask.

2. Otherwise, Django.

Django is great at getting out of your way when you don't need its functionality, so you can just ignore most of it if you don't need it.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by cjauvin »

ralmidani wrote: post #35

Django made me fall in love with programming 13 years ago, and since then it has always had a special place in my heart. I’m revisiting a business idea I was working on for a couple years, before I sought and found employment in the industry (where I used Java for a couple years, then Elixir for a couple more). My project was built with Django and Django REST Framework, and Ember on the client-side. 6 years later, th…

I absolutely agree. Recently I had to work on a complex client app, and I could simply not believe the amount of trouble you have to go through when you want to increment the version number of things like React, MUI, webpack, TS by.. one!

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by 93po »

If someone were to look for a web developer job these days, is Django the framework to focus on if you want a project that has a decent quality of life and is easy to get a job doing? I assume it's between that and Rails.

Alternatively, if I already have a ton of web framework experience and desperately want to move on to something different, what are some natural areas to extend into to stop working for agencies making crappy websites for small businesses? I guess this is off topic but it seems like people reading this may have input

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by asylteltine »

I like Django rest framework a lot. It was really easy to make something with react and call Django directly however the templating engine is also great. It’s so strange people still use rails

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by vanviegen »

asylteltine wrote: post #54

I like Django rest framework a lot. It was really easy to make something with react and call Django directly however the templating engine is also great. It’s so strange people still use rails

> It’s so strange people still use rails

Why? What makes Django better? (Genuinely curious.)

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by bdzr »

pphysch wrote: post #49
stosssik wrote: post #33

can you list the features that are lacking in django?

I would point to two of the most popular plugins, Django Rest Framework (DRF) and Celery (a background task system that requires rabbitmq|kafka|redis|etc). Both add highly sought-after features, but I believe these implementations are quite poor, complicated. Django could implement MVPs in core/contrib and vastly simplify future projects for users. A builtin OIDC client abstraction would go a long way as well.

The worst thing about DRF is the dogmatic adherence to inexplicable class hierarchies, something that is modeled after Django class based views. I think Django would fumble a DRF implementation.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by l33tman »

stavros wrote: post #51
danpalmer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt, and this hasn't changed recently, that if you're going to need more than, say, 3 of the cross cutting concerns that Django provides for, then it'll be much more maintainable in the long run to just use Django rather than effectively building a custom solution out of parts. The flip side: if you're building a small internal API that only needs a couple of these, Django might be overkill. What do I me…

I half-agree with you, I've found that there are two options when choosing a framework: 1. You're making something with 100 lines, which you're absolutely sure will stay 100 lines. Go with Flask. 2. Otherwise, Django. Django is great at getting out of your way when you don't need its functionality, so you can just ignore most of it if you don't need it.

Second this, if you need a database and users, Django is better than the headache of thinking about this yourself with all security pitfalls. I've built several production APIs around Django (like, not CMS at all) and I find it a good compromise between an SDK and rolling your own, this is partly due to Python as well of course.

And I've done smaller things with Flask where it would make no sense to go with Django as well but those were things not really built around a db or CRUD API etc.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by jononomo »

Just FYI -- there is so much mature Django and Python code out there than ChatGPT is really an excellent partner when you're building a Django project. Django is frankly the best web framework in existence, IMHO.

Re: Django 5.0

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Post by shnock »

93po wrote: post #53

If someone were to look for a web developer job these days, is Django the framework to focus on if you want a project that has a decent quality of life and is easy to get a job doing? I assume it's between that and Rails. Alternatively, if I already have a ton of web framework experience and desperately want to move on to something different, what are some natural areas to extend into to stop working for agencies mak…

React? Or back-end with NodeJS
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