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Re: Leaving F-Droid

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post #27

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Like Linus on the kernel?

Sure you can consider Linux over as far as you’re concerned.

Sure, linux can be over, f-droid can be over... i mean linux doesnt even work except for the use case of convenient cli, file management, and networked servers.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#32

@dang given the subject of this post is censoring statements made within their own community, I'm concerned about how quickly this was dropped off frontpage due to being flagged here on HN - wondering if this is potentially an abuse of the flag button (by sockpuppets?). If not and this flagging was approved by mods for legitimate reasons please ignore this comment.

i might flag this because the statement is to vague to merit any public discussion outside of the people involved. all we get is speculations and accusations, that are not worthy of a discussion on hackernews, in my opinion.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#33
post #29

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The author, who notes: > Sadly, this is not a single incident -- if it was I would still believe things could be fixed -- but a pattern of behaviour that has continued for years. I've tried to be patient, hoping we could still resolve things, give everyone the benefit of the doubt as I constantly have. But clearly, this is not possible as long as Hans refuses any and all accountability for his actions, and any attemp…

And the fact several other people have resigned?

Trouble travels in packs.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#34
post #32

@dang given the subject of this post is censoring statements made within their own community, I'm concerned about how quickly this was dropped off frontpage due to being flagged here on HN - wondering if this is potentially an abuse of the flag button (by sockpuppets?). If not and this flagging was approved by mods for legitimate reasons please ignore this comment.

i might flag this because the statement is to vague to merit any public discussion outside of the people involved. all we get is speculations and accusations, that are not worthy of a discussion on hackernews, in my opinion.

I disagree, we might not be able to acertain the truth but I certainly want to know that there is some potential issues.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#35
post #32

@dang given the subject of this post is censoring statements made within their own community, I'm concerned about how quickly this was dropped off frontpage due to being flagged here on HN - wondering if this is potentially an abuse of the flag button (by sockpuppets?). If not and this flagging was approved by mods for legitimate reasons please ignore this comment.

i might flag this because the statement is to vague to merit any public discussion outside of the people involved. all we get is speculations and accusations, that are not worthy of a discussion on hackernews, in my opinion.

Independently of the veracity of any statements from either side, the simultaneous resignation of 3 of the main foundation members of the primary open-source repository for the largest mobile OS seems worthy of HN.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#36
post #9

This is quite serious. The only point of f-droid is to be a community repository, if it is controlled by a single individual doing harmful things with no oversight, it is over as far as I'm concerned.

Like Linus on the kernel?

What is weird about this situation is I can't find any public information about Hans holding any special powers in the project. He's neither the original creator nor an officially appointed BDFL. Maybe he just happens to hold important access rights in the system that let him block people? Or is more assertive than others? Hard to tell

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#37
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Linus on the kernel?

What is weird about this situation is I can't find any public information about Hans holding any special powers in the project. He's neither the original creator nor an officially appointed BDFL. Maybe he just happens to hold important access rights in the system that let him block people? Or is more assertive than others? Hard to tell

He's "Technical Lead"

https://f-droid.org/en/2023/03/20/f-droid-board.html

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#38
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Linus on the kernel?

What is weird about this situation is I can't find any public information about Hans holding any special powers in the project. He's neither the original creator nor an officially appointed BDFL. Maybe he just happens to hold important access rights in the system that let him block people? Or is more assertive than others? Hard to tell

One of the issues raised is that the Council approved maintainership privileges for one individual & Hans refused to grant them - this gives me the impression that 1 single individual has exclusive access to grant such privileges (typically "Owner" role): it seems pretty unusual for a community project to have a single Owner role. Even just for efficiency & them being a bottleneck / bus-factor.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

#39

> me for trying to hold Hans accountable for blocking protecting marginalised community members from abuse I think understanding this statement is key. Blocking what protections? From what abuse? How and when were they blocked? Without that context, it's hard to say this text has any more clarity than the text accuses Hans' responses of having.

There might have been other stuff but the best I could tell from the linked pages: "blocking protection" refers to not giving full owner or mainter permissions to gitlab instance. Which are the required account levels to allow editing and deleting parts of issues and merge requests and other content. But those account levels also include a bunch of important technical permissions like managing deployment keys, access tokens, branch protection settings, none which should be required for people enforcing CoC.

Default Gitlab setup doesn't have roles which would be suitable for community moderators. But it seems like Gitlab Ultimate has support for custom roles which could have solved that issue. No idea if F-Droid is in the Gitlab Open-Source program which gives open source projects access to premium features.

Re: Leaving F-Droid

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> which someone made private "because I felt like it" Further to making statements in their own community private, it seems even this HN post has been flagged by someone for some reason...

And I'm unable to vouch for it like I usually can - but I an also flag it if I wanted to? I don't know what that means. HN moderation is such a black box.

I've seen `vouch` on flagged comments but not on posts.
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