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Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Super good time to announce layoffs, at the start of the month where everyone is preparing for time off and holidays.

It’s unfortunately common when financial end of year is around the same time.

Announced now, people can at least try to scale back Christmas and NYE plans if necessary.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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> Spotify reported that it had 9,400 employees at the end of the third quarter of 2023. It had already cut back employee numbers by 6% in January and by a further 2% in June.

I wonder what they were all doing. Their special apps, like the iWatch, are below par and they are pretty much the last service that doesn't offer HQ audio. AI does most of the editorial playlist generation. What are nearly 10K people doing?

yea seriosuly.. they're desktop app is electron. its not like their individual apps are getting special attention.

imho, I'd pay extra for a good NATIVE spotify client for the mac

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Relax, I was being hyperbolic. Does spotify need 20x more employees than Valve/STEAM? How's twitter working with 80% less employees? Sure it's worth less, but it works mostly fine. Yes spotify needs more than 10 employees, but did it need 10000? After these rounds of cuts, will it still need 7500 next year? I surmise it can settle much lower than what people expect, and maybe their service/product would have been bet…

> Does spotify need 20x more employees than Valve/STEAM?

The difference is the person you’re responding to doesn’t claim to know the answer to something it’s almost impossible for either of you to know the answer (unless you have inside knowledge or have done a deep dive on Spotify).

> How's twitter working with 80% less employees?

Extremely poorly. It’s hemorrhaging money and it’s hemorrhaging users. Competitors are arising where almost none existed for about a decade and a half.

The point of having employees in a major platform based company isn’t just to “work fine”, but to out compete massive trillion dollar companies while at the same time fending off tiny 2-3 person startups which may come with a completely new idea or approach out of nowhere. Twitter’s reduced workforce only allows it to exist but has made it extremely hard to actually defend from those forces.

And to the extent it is succeeding to retain any users it’s almost entirely because of the advantages built by the company when it had a much larger workforce.

The only caveat I will add is that a lot of tech companies over hired during the pandemic due to FOMO more than anything else, and we know this because most of their CEOs have said as much.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Would love a tl;dw. How does he predict the fail will materialize?

Here's what Bard says: "The video starts by talking about how Spotify has become the dominant force in the music industry. In 2018, Spotify had over 200 million users and was paying out over $5 billion in royalties to artists. However, the video also points out that Spotify is not a very profitable company. In fact, Spotify has lost money every year since it was founded in 2006. So, how does Spotify make money? The a…

But where is the prediction on how Spotify will fail?

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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I'm embarrassed to admit that despite having had Spotify for years, my music tastes didn't change much.

I switched back to albums, and can thankfully pick clients that suit my taste.

* https://gitlab.com/souch/SMP for Android

* https://apps.gnome.org/Amberol/ for desktop Linux

Beets and rsync manage tags and distribution.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Would love a tl;dw. How does he predict the fail will materialize?

Here's what Bard says: "The video starts by talking about how Spotify has become the dominant force in the music industry. In 2018, Spotify had over 200 million users and was paying out over $5 billion in royalties to artists. However, the video also points out that Spotify is not a very profitable company. In fact, Spotify has lost money every year since it was founded in 2006. So, how does Spotify make money? The a…

"Spotify is essentially a media company" - they are definitely still a music streaming company with an ad-sponsored product-tier, even if the ad-sponsored tier is the most popular or most profitable. Also, when you have an ad-sponsored tier you are not streaming for free - you are paying by selling your attention, it's just that the resulting cash price of the subscription is opaque to the user.

This differs from e.g. Google that runs a large ad platform used not only by several of their own services, but also external products and services (other websites and apps).

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Super good time to announce layoffs, at the start of the month where everyone is preparing for time off and holidays.

Yep. Maximizing fuck-over of employees. Tech workers need to stop working for corporations they don't own, aren't seeing the profits of, and who will just throw them away at any moment. The solution are businesses in the form of employee-owned co-ops and organized labor.

I’m in full support. But, you do realize the forum you’re writing this in, right?

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Looks like Benn Jordan's analysis on how Spotify will fail is slowly starting to materialize: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDfNRWsMRsU

I'm a heavy user of spotify. Almost everyone I know uses it daily. I don't understand why they are not able to turn this much engagement into profit.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Super good time to announce layoffs, at the start of the month where everyone is preparing for time off and holidays.

It’s unfortunately common when financial end of year is around the same time. Announced now, people can at least try to scale back Christmas and NYE plans if necessary.

How many people will be getting told they're part of it? I would suspect this will be hanging over their heads as an unknown element. Is it even possible for HR to manage off-boarding 17% of the company within a month?
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