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A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by theshrike79 »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #53
dun44 wrote: post #28

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Security: with cloud nobody cares, things leak all the time w/o much consequences Reliability: unless you’re multi-bilion customer nobody cares, Google can simply ban your account and they won’t assign a human intern to perhaps reconsider dropping all your data because the effort would never pay With local storage there is at least one person who cares about those problems. With cloud there is none.

>Reliability: unless you’re multi-bilion customer nobody cares, Google can simply ban your account and they won’t assign a human intern to perhaps reconsider dropping all your data because the effort would never pay Because of course it just has to be Google that you use for your cloud storage? We can't consider any of the dozens and dozens of cloud alternatives also available with much better customer service involv…

This is starting to become one of my pet peeves.

People just tout "lol every cloud provider only has AI support with no humans" - when it's just Google - a trillion dollar company - skimping on user support.

Meanwhile there are dozens of alternatives, small, medium and large where you can contact an actual human and get help. No algorithm will ban your account automatically without the right to object.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by Helmut10001 »

sokoloff wrote: post #57
Helmut10001 wrote: post #39

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Good question. This is a bit tricky and you may argue about the term "offline". My offsite ZFS array sits at a remote location (my parents house, 100km distance - just enough for a nuclear strike). It is automatically turned on using a Shelly PlugS on a timer, once per week. It then connects via VPN automatically to my main site, runs some checks for ransomware (like changed file-count), pulls ZFS updates and then sh…

If you’re sending zfs snapshots (and not deleting them), doesn’t that give you protection against ransomware? If so, a high number of files changed might be exactly when you want to snapshot and replicate, to minimize the worst case outcome (that the ransomware gets root and zfs destroys your local copy).

Yes, but if your hypervisor is compromised, ZFS Snapshots could theoretically also been deleted/modified/etc. - I wanted to cover this scenario. This is still work-in-progress and my script currently just aborts early in case of anything suspicious. Also, the file changed check only applies to my Borgmatic solution, ZFS only works at the snapshot/dataset level.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by theshrike79 »

Yeah, gonna jump on the "this seems like autogenerated blogspam" train here.

The whole golivecosmos site is filled with similar articles that just link to other places with very little actual substance.

Also the submitter's history seems like they've only posted stuff from the same domain...

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by ssss11 »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #42
ssss11 wrote: post #37

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You’re doing great work then, well done! I run a synology nas with docker compose for some services and it works well. With a young family though when something does go wrong it can throw out a few days of my (very little) spare time.

Yeah, I have a family myself. This only worked for me because I have the habit to go to bed early (like 8PM) and stand up at 4-5 AM in the morning. This gives (or: gave) me about 1-2 hours before breakfast to learn Linux and DevOps.

I had a plan once for a website where we’d all post our self hosting architectures as kind of blueprints of known good configurations plus some instructions to build them… another project dropped due to spare time

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by ggpsv »

buro9 wrote: post #66
ggpsv wrote: post #59

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This is my main gripe with Tailscale too, at least for personal use. What are you thinking of using instead? Headscale?

I've been looking at https://www.defined.net/ as an alternative. And also saw this on HN a month or so ago https://blog.janissary.xyz/posts/tailscale-oidc-authelia-car...

That blog post is quite handy, thank you.

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Post by crabbone »

theshrike79 wrote: post #67
ryanjshaw wrote: post #56

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That's what I used to think. Then you read horror stories of people being lifetime banned by a Cloud provider with robot-only support. Also, do you really want all your personal documents and stuff accessible on your phone to anybody who grabs it while you walk around with it unlocked on a call? Yes you might be using some security locks on folders but are you 100% sure you didn't miss any path to anything interestin…

> people being lifetime banned by a Cloud provider with robot-only support Just don't use GCP then? Every time I've worked with Amazon (from 5 person companies to 2k+ global corps) it's been extremely easy to contact an actual human with very minimal costs. Currently we have 3 AWS people on a Slack channel and we can ask questions from them at any time, they've even given suggestions on how to optimise costs and have…

> extremely easy to contact an actual human

That's the opposite of my experience with Amazon, and I even worked for a company that underwent a "partnership certification" process or w/e it's called. (I.e. we had to take classes on how to use a bunch of useless AWS crap and then test out on that, just to be able to put our product on marketplace).

You are either exceptionally lucky, or maybe Amazon's support is geographically locked (into your location)... or a bunch of other reasons I can think of. Anyhow. Even if what you say was true today, this is no guarantee that it will stay true tomorrow. If Amazon finds it expedient to cut down on support, they will.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by crabbone »

JeanMarcS wrote: post #25

Ok. So now your house is on fire. How do you retrieve your datas from the melted local NAS ? Or a buglar come and empties it. Don't get me wrong, I'm full "move away from the cloud" in the "proprietary cloud" way. But getting some drive space on a different location is important if you care about your datas. Could be in a relative's or friend's place (so almost no per month cost) or on a cloud drive (I personnaly use…

> So now your house is on fire. How do you retrieve your datas from the melted local NAS ? Or a buglar come and empties it.

I fully expect my possessions and my data to be perishable. Losing it in a fire is still better than giving it to others. I will cry a little, when that happens, but as a consolation to myself, I'll say: at least it wasn't stolen from one of those big companies and won't be used to harm anyone.

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Post by infecto »

RajT88 wrote: post #16

My local setup - please critique as you like. For NAS, I am running Windows Server 2022 (I have a rational reason for this). It hosts many things. * IIS, for my local browser start pages, I configure with "new tab redirect" plugins * JellyFin - Basically a personal Netflix for all my ripped media * DokuWiki, thumbdrive version - for documenting house stuff * Twonky - Because it's the least-bad DLNA solution I've used…

Slightly off topic, on the client side how do you use JellyFin? I tried both browser and some of the iOS apps that just wrap that browser interface and it never worked well. It perhaps was also an issue on the JellyFin server itself. I went back to Plex only because it was plug-n-play for me. Just seeing if you have any additional tips here.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by cm2187 »

RajT88 wrote: post #16

My local setup - please critique as you like. For NAS, I am running Windows Server 2022 (I have a rational reason for this). It hosts many things. * IIS, for my local browser start pages, I configure with "new tab redirect" plugins * JellyFin - Basically a personal Netflix for all my ripped media * DokuWiki, thumbdrive version - for documenting house stuff * Twonky - Because it's the least-bad DLNA solution I've used…

Do you store stuff on multiple disks? I struggle with windows as a NAS.

Windows storage space sucks hard (particularly their RAID5 style parity which has unacceptable performances, but also I had it failing without reporting it, and it doesn't handle parity with column size >8).

The native windows software raid is deprecated, and can't handle disks of different sizes.

I use stablebit drivepool for a secondary backup where I don't really need parity (backup of the backup). But it comes with all sort of issues of its own (some weird file locking bugs, performance limited to single disk, also if you setup an SSD cache, it can't handle files larger than the smallest SSD (happened when backing up a vhdx).

For NAS, for the moment I haven't found anything beating linux based NAS solutions (synology style) for simplicity and stability.

For MDISC, call me skeptical. I think in 10-15 years you will struggle to find anything to read a CD or DVD, like you would struggle now to read a Zip or floppy disk. The most durable and cheapest way to do long term of storage is to replicate your data on new media regularly. The price / GB drops so fast that no non-retail form of storage (MDISC, LTO, etc) will be economical vs buying a big drive from time to time (every 5-7y). You can buy a 12TB drive for $200-300 now.

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Post by infecto »

salad-tycoon wrote: post #63
deepmauka wrote: post #26

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Thanks for sharing your elegant and versatile setup. A thought for the discs and safety deposit boxes, I live in a rural area and have an account with a credit union that service several labor unions. They’re rooted in the community, profitable, and I don’t see them changing anytime soon. 3”x10” boxes are $20/yr.

To expound on safety deposit boxes since GP was asking for critiques. From what I’ve read they can be prone to accidents, theft, damage and are a big reasons to have them is for showing off. My understanding, which entirely comes from this NYT article, is that banks hate them. Safe Deposit Boxes Aren’t Safe, NYT, 2019: https://archive.is/NfnL6

Agreed on Safe Deposit boxes.

I would probably invest in a real fire rated safe. Real defined as a safe over $1000. Not the consumer crap that gets shoveled out.

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