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A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by bradley13 »

adfm wrote: post #15
bradley13 wrote: post #11

Run your own cloud (specifically OwnCloud). The setup takes effort, but afterwards it's easy. I run it on a microserver at home, with port forwarding for access. All the benefits of "cloud", but you know where your data is. Do remember to make backups, but you need those for commercial services as well.

Considering OwnCloud’s current breach following recent acquisition, you might want to check out the NextCloud fork, which seems to be actively worked on https://nextcloud.com/blog/security-statement/

NextCloud is certainly also an option.

That said, the security issue wasn't really the fault of OwnCloud. They use a Microsoft library, which itself included a further library. That downstream library had the security issue. Unfortunately, it happened to interact especially badly with the containerized version of OwnCloud.

That kind of downstream security issue can bite any project. I don't blame OwnCloud in the slightest, and they were very quick to acknowledge the problem and post the solution.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by yCloser »

bradley13 wrote: post #11

Run your own cloud (specifically OwnCloud). The setup takes effort, but afterwards it's easy. I run it on a microserver at home, with port forwarding for access. All the benefits of "cloud", but you know where your data is. Do remember to make backups, but you need those for commercial services as well.

In the past I've been hacked for some owncloud lldap vulnerability.

Do not allow access to owncloud without a vpn!!

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by salad-tycoon »

deepmauka wrote: post #26
RajT88 wrote: post #16

My local setup - please critique as you like. For NAS, I am running Windows Server 2022 (I have a rational reason for this). It hosts many things. * IIS, for my local browser start pages, I configure with "new tab redirect" plugins * JellyFin - Basically a personal Netflix for all my ripped media * DokuWiki, thumbdrive version - for documenting house stuff * Twonky - Because it's the least-bad DLNA solution I've used…

Thanks for sharing your elegant and versatile setup. A thought for the discs and safety deposit boxes, I live in a rural area and have an account with a credit union that service several labor unions. They’re rooted in the community, profitable, and I don’t see them changing anytime soon. 3”x10” boxes are $20/yr.

To expound on safety deposit boxes since GP was asking for critiques. From what I’ve read they can be prone to accidents, theft, damage and are a big reasons to have them is for showing off. My understanding, which entirely comes from this NYT article, is that banks hate them.

Safe Deposit Boxes Aren’t Safe, NYT, 2019: https://archive.is/NfnL6

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by mrweasel »

pmlnr wrote: post #36
JeanMarcS wrote: post #25

Ok. So now your house is on fire. How do you retrieve your datas from the melted local NAS ? Or a buglar come and empties it. Don't get me wrong, I'm full "move away from the cloud" in the "proprietary cloud" way. But getting some drive space on a different location is important if you care about your datas. Could be in a relative's or friend's place (so almost no per month cost) or on a cloud drive (I personnaly use…

Ok. So your credit card expired, and the provider cleared your cloud data. How do you retrieve it? See, each has issues.

I don't really get that example. Assuming that your using the cloud solution as a backup, you'd still have the original and can restart the backup, either on the same or a different cloud provider.

If your house burns down there's a good chance that you're losing both the original and the backup.

Ideally you have the original, a local backup and a cloud backup. The cloud backup can be updated a few times a day, and the local every few 10 - 15 minutes.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by hexfish »

JeanMarcS wrote: post #25

Ok. So now your house is on fire. How do you retrieve your datas from the melted local NAS ? Or a buglar come and empties it. Don't get me wrong, I'm full "move away from the cloud" in the "proprietary cloud" way. But getting some drive space on a different location is important if you care about your datas. Could be in a relative's or friend's place (so almost no per month cost) or on a cloud drive (I personnaly use…

Well it's an important point, but I don't think the author of OP argues you shouldn't do that.

By the way: have a look at restic, it's great (if you don't require a GUI).

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by buro9 »

ggpsv wrote: post #59
buro9 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Tailscale to make my home network available from my phone, and then an app called Cx File Explorer to be able to fully navigate the file systems involved and view or download any file from it. I also use Plex to get all media on my phone, and that's actually my primary interface and so I very seldom ever need to ensure I'm connected to Tailscale or browsing, as what I need to access via phone is not usually fil…

This is my main gripe with Tailscale too, at least for personal use. What are you thinking of using instead? Headscale?

I've been looking at https://www.defined.net/ as an alternative.

And also saw this on HN a month or so ago https://blog.janissary.xyz/posts/tailscale-oidc-authelia-car...

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by theshrike79 »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #56
9dev wrote: post #34

You know… I deal with complexity, redundancy, unexpected errors, hardware specs, software updates, security issues, automated exploits, and so many other things, all day. I just don’t want that at home. I’m sure it’s nice to feel in control of your stuff, but I’d rather do something with my family, read a good book or go for a walk instead of having more of the same shite I put up with all day at work.

That's what I used to think. Then you read horror stories of people being lifetime banned by a Cloud provider with robot-only support. Also, do you really want all your personal documents and stuff accessible on your phone to anybody who grabs it while you walk around with it unlocked on a call? Yes you might be using some security locks on folders but are you 100% sure you didn't miss any path to anything interestin…

> people being lifetime banned by a Cloud provider with robot-only support

Just don't use GCP then?

Every time I've worked with Amazon (from 5 person companies to 2k+ global corps) it's been extremely easy to contact an actual human with very minimal costs.

Currently we have 3 AWS people on a Slack channel and we can ask questions from them at any time, they've even given suggestions on how to optimise costs and have recommended AGAINST using some AWS services because wouldn't fit our use-cases.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by bradley13 »

yCloser wrote: post #62
bradley13 wrote: post #11

Run your own cloud (specifically OwnCloud). The setup takes effort, but afterwards it's easy. I run it on a microserver at home, with port forwarding for access. All the benefits of "cloud", but you know where your data is. Do remember to make backups, but you need those for commercial services as well.

In the past I've been hacked for some owncloud lldap vulnerability. Do not allow access to owncloud without a vpn!!

I don't doubt your experience, but I wonder what the issue was. The only LDAP-related issue I find (cve-2021-40537) also requires compromised admin-credentials to exploit. Of course, with compromised admin credentials, all bets are off anyway.

I know it is only anecdotal, but I have been running OwnCloud for many years now, available without a VPN, with no security problems.

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by theshrike79 »

stef25 wrote: post #55
tambre wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any pointers to such fineprint? I can't find it nor did I notice it when I just very recently began using Backblaze.

yeah here https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217665398-Backi... > Backblaze will backup external USB and Firewire hard drives that are detached and re-attached as long as you remember to re-attach the hard drive at least once every 30 days. If the drive is detached for more than 30 days, Backblaze interprets this as data that has been permanently deleted and securely deletes the copy from the Backblaze data…

It's because the service is billed as a "backup" not as "cheap cloud storage".

If they allowed people to back up unlimited USB drives and networks shares, /r/datahoarder would be all up their business with 1PB storage.

This is why they limit it to only stuff you're actually using.

If you want generic cloud storage with infinite retention, they have B2

Re: A case for moving away from the cloud and embracing local storage solutions

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Post by theshrike79 »

ssss11 wrote: post #27
Helmut10001 wrote: post #24

I run a 48 TB ZFS pool (Z2; 24TB usable), and an offsite, offline 48 TB ZFS pool (mirror). My primary server is Proxmox, where I have 8 unprivileged VMs with Docker nested inside (since ZFS 2.2.0, Docker on unprivileged ZFS works now without detours). My backup is ZFS-send plus Borgmatic as a fallback, until I trust the ZFS-send approach that I just added (I usually have "migration phases" for new features that may l…

That all sounds great but what we desperately need is instructions on how to do things like this for the less technical, and easy maintenance… I think those are the limiting factors for wide spread adoption

There definitely is a market for someone who wants to make a full-on at-home cloud like that a product.

Just a fancy box, you give it an internet connection and power and then it Just Works. 100% local.

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