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Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#181

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In the UK, you just forward the text to "7726" which is SPAM on a keypad. It's a requirement from the regulator. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice...

Does a forwarded text retain the envelope?

Presumably they can compare the message body against recent text messages they've given you.

(also, this works in the US too)

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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post #176

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It's that time I get to repeat: The US is a big enough destination that threatening to drop incoming calls would work. Much like the EU online privacy regulations has international effects, the US can play the game too. It's extremely unlikely that a legit telco anywhere in the world would choose to continue spam and lose the ability to call the US. (Telcos peer to other telcos/interconnects explicitly and can force…

> The US is a big enough destination that threatening to drop incoming calls would work. They should threaten to drop outgoing calls too. That’d eliminate all the useless offshore call centers.

Some sort of quite tall wall, perhaps made of fire…

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#183

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> telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now I'm not so sure about this. No one (except for, obviously, spammers) benefits from email spam, every mailhost and network admin is most certainly interested in stopping it (to some extent), and yet my mailbox can prove that spam is still very much alive. Solving spam problems in a highly distributed large federation…

The analogy doesn't hold because anyone can send an email to anyone else on any service at any time. You can't exactly just climb up a telephone pole and tap off a few phone numbers for yourself. You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure. Spammers and scammers are wasting infrastructure resources that the telcos could be allocating to users. The telco can just cu…

> You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure

Sounds like you’ve never used Twilio before - or any other API-based SMS system

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#184

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I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

(This is a US-based response response about the US phone system.) Because it's a political problem, not an engineering or business problem. In order to prevent monopolies, we have very strict requirements about carrying all calls that enter the network. Otherwise, phone companies would randomly block each other as part of anti-competitive tactics to push each other out of business. The telephone spammers take advanta…

Of course, that would require the politicians to first opt their own political calls in to the existing (if largely useless) measures such as the Do Not Call registry.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#186
Who's actually benefitting from these spam/scam/advertising phone calls? Whenever I get one I pick up, realize I'm listening to a recording, and hang up immideately, I don't know what it was trying to shove in my face. Who's listening to these calls and doing something that benefits the spammers?

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#187

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> telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now I'm not so sure about this. No one (except for, obviously, spammers) benefits from email spam, every mailhost and network admin is most certainly interested in stopping it (to some extent), and yet my mailbox can prove that spam is still very much alive. Solving spam problems in a highly distributed large federation…

The analogy doesn't hold because anyone can send an email to anyone else on any service at any time. You can't exactly just climb up a telephone pole and tap off a few phone numbers for yourself. You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure. Spammers and scammers are wasting infrastructure resources that the telcos could be allocating to users. The telco can just cu…

> there is no centralized network and no central authority that can refuse my connection

Your ISP/host can refuse service (assuming somebody convinces them to take that step). That doesn't mean you can't find another, but they are your connection to the Internet.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#188

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The analogy doesn't hold because anyone can send an email to anyone else on any service at any time. You can't exactly just climb up a telephone pole and tap off a few phone numbers for yourself. You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure. Spammers and scammers are wasting infrastructure resources that the telcos could be allocating to users. The telco can just cu…

> You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure Sounds like you’ve never used Twilio before - or any other API-based SMS system

Isn't Twilio your service provider in that case?

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#189
For me, the operative part of the comment is

> To keep it simple, consider starting by reporting SMSes.

> For robocalls, expect that many robocall CIDs are spoofed

I pretty much only get spam calls (texts are pretty rare), and I'm 99% sure all the source numbers are spoofed and I assume it's infeasible to actually trace them. If this is wrong, please let me know.

Otherwise, I guess I'll just keep waiting for STIR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STIR/SHAKEN).

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

#190

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The analogy doesn't hold because anyone can send an email to anyone else on any service at any time. You can't exactly just climb up a telephone pole and tap off a few phone numbers for yourself. You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure. Spammers and scammers are wasting infrastructure resources that the telcos could be allocating to users. The telco can just cu…

> You have to explicitly enter into a contract with a service provider to use their infrastructure Sounds like you’ve never used Twilio before - or any other API-based SMS system

Have you tried recently? There’s a ton of regulation mandated paperwork and registration required these days.
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