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Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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If only it was just the tradespeople. I've had an electrical inspector argue that I should route the ground from my windmilltower into the house and bond it to the distribution panel rather than to ground the windmilltower at the base of the tower . So in case of lightning strike (which is pretty much a given) that would invite that lightning into your home right at the distribution panel. People may be following 'th…

I don’t know the whole setup, but the inspector is likely right. When you have a feeder to an outbuilding (or external structure or piece of equipment or subpanel or basically anything else), you supply it with the intentionally current-carrying wires and the ground. (Ground may be called “equipment grounding conductor” or “protective earth” or perhaps something else in your jurisdiction. It’s a wire or the metallic…

> you supply it with the intentionally current-carrying wires and the ground

Whether you connect both grounds to both themselves and Earth, or just connect both grounds to Earth, or connect them to Earth once and connect them both depends on so many details, it's not funny.

What is certain is that you don't want something that doubles as a lightning rod protected on the same internal circuit as your house. So your rationale doesn't apply to the GP.

But anyway, every time somebody talks about electrical installations on the internet, somebody says some version of "If there is a fault from a hot wire to a grounded object, this (if done correctly) allows the upstream overcurrent protection to trip." Is it still a recommended practice on the US to rely on overcurrent protection to protect against current leakage? It's an horrible practice, as it requires several amperes of leakage before triggering.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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4x was also the minimum retail price I've been taught as well. The wholesale rate has also been anywhere from 50% - 75% of the retail price depending on the negotiations with the retailer. This is ignoring soulless companies like Walmarts/Amazons/etc where you'll never make those numbers. Something people don't always consider that when they buy something from the retailer directly, they typically make more money fro…

That’s what I find so infuriating about many first-party sites. I’ll often find something on Amazon and if it seems like it’s from a small business, I’ll check to see if I can buy it direct. (Arguably, this behavior is unethical on my part against Amazon, but whatever.) I very rarely (like matches Amazon’s. Look, I tried. I came to you and gave you a shot, but if you want to charge the same item price and also tack o…

My understanding is that if you list on Amazon, you agree not to sell for less anywhere else, including your own site.

Advertising on Amazon is nearly, but not quite, a requirement in the current marketplace.

This has been part of the recent antitrust action against them.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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I'm disappointed at the anti-DIY sentiments here, it's this safety obsessed mentality that got us to where kids can't walk outside by themselves any longer. The box in that guy's build is outside and could probably burn to a crisp without hurting anything else. I suspect it would not hurt anything even inside a garage, other than making a lot of smoke and setting off smoke detectors.

People are weird about electricity.

It isn't uncommon for people to be scared when they learn I wired my home which has a 400 amp service. I wired the previous two also. Sure electricity could kill me, burn me, burn down my house, etc., but I don't have to be the one to discover how it works. People have done that and there are building codes to follow that are build upon a whole bunch of previous failures.

We all learn different things and are at different places. I can wire my whole house and pass inspection, but I'd never take on this project, that is beyond me - but more power to him for trying. I agree, nothing wrong with some DIY that at most will go up in smoke.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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Level 2 chargers aren’t actually chargers, they just pass mains voltage and some signaling. The charger is inside the vehicle.

The evse (misnamed charger here) needs to reduce the amperage based on what the car side wants. So it does more than just pass mains voltage.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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Don't DIY what you can buy.

I hope you didn't mean it like that, but the way it's written sounds depressing. Doing & making things (within reason) is the essence of human experience. Buying all the things is the essence of consumerism.

It feels depressing until you realize the set of all things that you can DIY that you can't buy is infinite. Factor in that the things you can buy are extremely cheap when you factor in your time, due to mass production. So it doesn't make sense to spend time building something you can just buy.

I just think it's a good principle that someone older than me shared with me a long time ago, in an electronics hobby store that no longer exists, when I was buying parts to build a bench power supply, though I had to discover some reasons the hard way.

I thought they were being an ass at the time, so I plowed ahead with my project, and realized halfway thru that this project was pretty dumb and I should have just bought one and moved on to a better more interesting project.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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Level 2 chargers aren’t actually chargers, they just pass mains voltage and some signaling. The charger is inside the vehicle.

The evse (misnamed charger here) needs to reduce the amperage based on what the car side wants. So it does more than just pass mains voltage.

That's not accurate. The EVSE communicates a max current to the vehicle, but does nothing to actively control the current. It should monitor the current and kill the circuit if the vehicle attempts to draw too much, but that only happens after the vehicle has misbehaved.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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Level 2 chargers aren’t actually chargers, they just pass mains voltage and some signaling. The charger is inside the vehicle.

The evse (misnamed charger here) needs to reduce the amperage based on what the car side wants. So it does more than just pass mains voltage.

Got a reference for that? As far as I know (as the linked article says), the EVSE doesn't do anything to control the current other than telling the car how much it can draw.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evse (misnamed charger here) needs to reduce the amperage based on what the car side wants. So it does more than just pass mains voltage.

That's not accurate. The EVSE communicates a max current to the vehicle, but does nothing to actively control the current. It should monitor the current and kill the circuit if the vehicle attempts to draw too much, but that only happens after the vehicle has misbehaved.

Correct. The control pilot signal from EVSE to EV is a PWM signal that indicates to the EV how much current is available.

It could drop at any time due to, for example, many chargers being connected to 1 circuit and the chargers coordinating with each-other to load-balance their connected vehicles (everyone gets their fair share), or it could be tied to solar PV generation so that charging doesn't import from the grid; the available current will change with how much excess PV is available, etc.

A well-engineered EVSE will notice when the EV is drawing more than the EVSE wants it to. It should then open the mains contactor at this point; cutting the EV's electricity supply. It will also hold the control pilot low to signal a fault to the EV.

Re: DIY Home EV Charger

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Level 2 chargers aren’t actually chargers, they just pass mains voltage and some signaling. The charger is inside the vehicle.

The evse (misnamed charger here) needs to reduce the amperage based on what the car side wants. So it does more than just pass mains voltage.

This completely goes against my understanding of electricity. The correct amount of amps are pulled by the plugged in device, and it doesn't matter how much are available at the supply side (as long as it meets the minimum.)
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