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Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by bediger4000 »

gruez wrote: post #92
mullingitover wrote: post #25

I wish we could euthanize this garbage, antiquated phone system. It shouldn't be expected/required that every adult has a phone number when the system is so irredeemably broken and dangerous. If the web didn't have HTTPS, it would be illegal to conduct sensitive business over it. Yet we're stuck with this entrenched telephone system, the best we can do is STIR/SHAKEN, and that's not real security.

>If the web didn't have HTTPS, it would be illegal to conduct sensitive business over it. Source? According to this timeline[1], e-commerence with credit cards predate SSL. Therefore I'm not really convinced that there's some law against it, except for laws that were introduced after SSL was a thing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-commerce#Timeline

E-commerce predates opening The Internet for commercial entities. In 1988 or 89 I ordered some Unix book, maybe the 4.3BSD daemon book, via email that I got from Nyx, which was a dialup Usenet server at University of Denver. Sent a credit card number over SMTP email.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by jimmydddd »

aimor wrote: post #81

I've been reporting spam calls and texts to the FCC for a few years now. Does it do anything? I don't know, certainly not immediately, and the problem persists. I tried the method spelled out here for my latest batch of "Your USPS package has arrived" texts, but the phone numbers (example: +63 936 631 6676) just give an "invalid number" response. Not unexpected. Every official channel seems to be failing us on this o…

I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jimmydddd wrote: post #112
aimor wrote: post #81

I've been reporting spam calls and texts to the FCC for a few years now. Does it do anything? I don't know, certainly not immediately, and the problem persists. I tried the method spelled out here for my latest batch of "Your USPS package has arrived" texts, but the phone numbers (example: +63 936 631 6676) just give an "invalid number" response. Not unexpected. Every official channel seems to be failing us on this o…

I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

I can't see how it can be any other way than you mention.

Is it conceivable that they don't have control of who is using their network, and how they're using it?

It's not like they've just landed on the planet with this big telecoms network to manage. They created them, they set the rules, they own the gates.

It's purely profit driven, no question.

In the exact same way that Google and Meta claim to not be able to police advertising on their own fucking networks.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by drdaeman »

jimmydddd wrote: post #112
aimor wrote: post #81

I've been reporting spam calls and texts to the FCC for a few years now. Does it do anything? I don't know, certainly not immediately, and the problem persists. I tried the method spelled out here for my latest batch of "Your USPS package has arrived" texts, but the phone numbers (example: +63 936 631 6676) just give an "invalid number" response. Not unexpected. Every official channel seems to be failing us on this o…

I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

> telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now

I'm not so sure about this. No one (except for, obviously, spammers) benefits from email spam, every mailhost and network admin is most certainly interested in stopping it (to some extent), and yet my mailbox can prove that spam is still very much alive.

Solving spam problems in a highly distributed large federation of networks is not simple.

However, I think there are less telecoms than LIRs and mail systems out there, and they typically have better control over who their clients are (less hacking, though I could be wrong), and there's not enough pressure on them (spammy mailhost's gonna get banned by every RDNSBL real quick, telcos - I don't know, but I guess not so much?), so I can certainly agree that telecoms have issues with their incentives. I could be wrong about this, though - I don't really know much about the telephone industry.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

jupp0r wrote: post #55

It already takes me 45 minutes of my time to get a hold of a support person of my own carrier and I'm a paying customer. I commend the effort, but getting a human to answer a support hotline call in order to report a spammer number is so comically difficult and ineffective that I can't see a significant amount of people participating. Why doesn't my carrier have an automated system allowing them to communicate with t…

In the UK, you just forward the text to "7726" which is SPAM on a keypad. It's a requirement from the regulator.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice...

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by jcrawfordor »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #113
jimmydddd wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

I can't see how it can be any other way than you mention. Is it conceivable that they don't have control of who is using their network, and how they're using it? It's not like they've just landed on the planet with this big telecoms network to manage. They created them, they set the rules, they own the gates. It's purely profit driven, no question. In the exact same way that Google and Meta claim to not be able to po…

The architecture of the telephone network was designed by a complex series of historical monopolies (across multiple countries), federal regulators, and state regulators. Because of this history, the providers have a surprisingly small degree of control over the traffic that passes through their network. This is, in a regulatory sense, what it means to be a common carrier.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by AgentOrange1234 »

megablast wrote: post #108
AgentOrange1234 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. My son got sick at school last week and I ignored the call from the school nurse because I have been so thoroughly conditioned by daily scam calls to ignore any unrecognized number. It’s insane that this is still a problem.

If you have a kid and are ignoring calls, that is crazy.

Well he’s 12, in the care of competent adults at a public school less than a mile away. But sure, I guess I should have been perfect.

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by batch12 »

jimmydddd wrote: post #112
aimor wrote: post #81

I've been reporting spam calls and texts to the FCC for a few years now. Does it do anything? I don't know, certainly not immediately, and the problem persists. I tried the method spelled out here for my latest batch of "Your USPS package has arrived" texts, but the phone numbers (example: +63 936 631 6676) just give an "invalid number" response. Not unexpected. Every official channel seems to be failing us on this o…

I disagree with the posted page that the telecoms are interested in stopping spam. If they really cared, they would have addressed it by now. I suspect they are somehow making money from the spam callers.

A few questions (in good faith) for discussion:

- How do you feel about the telcoms reading/filtering your texts?

- Where do you feel these controls would be most appropriately applied? Sender or recipient or both?

- How would you define SMS spam for filtering? Should the messages be manually reviewed or automatically filtered based on volume/content?

- Should recipient telcoms filter potentially malicious or spammy voice calls?

Re: Report Phone Spam – Shut down robocallers and text spammers

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Post by squeaky-clean »

bediger4000 wrote: post #111
gruez wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the web didn't have HTTPS, it would be illegal to conduct sensitive business over it. Source? According to this timeline[1], e-commerence with credit cards predate SSL. Therefore I'm not really convinced that there's some law against it, except for laws that were introduced after SSL was a thing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-commerce#Timeline

E-commerce predates opening The Internet for commercial entities. In 1988 or 89 I ordered some Unix book, maybe the 4.3BSD daemon book, via email that I got from Nyx, which was a dialup Usenet server at University of Denver. Sent a credit card number over SMTP email.

I remember "buying" something online and having to physically mail a check with the order # on the info line.
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