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Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by boeingUH60 » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

infecto wrote: post #166

dzink wrote: post #149

A nonbinding letter of intent in 2018? That is a limited downside unlimited upside kind of risk you take to fund extreme moon shots. Boom Supersonic did the same approach with United airlines, to fund a still undeveloped supersonic Airplane. A 1M investment like this is a hedge that has capped downside, restricted to Altman's personal money, and an infinite upside that gives an incentive to the founders to succeed. A…

Hope this makes it to the top. So much artificial outrage.

Many people have sad, angry lives and are addicted to outrage to lash out at anything other than themselves…they just can’t help it like an alcoholic can’t abstain from alcohol.

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by doodlebugging » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 9:06 PM UTC

tsimionescu wrote: post #174

doodlebugging wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>She also has a history of mental illness. Was this diagnosed before he climbed into her bed when she was 4 y.o.? I'm no psychologist and I don't know what her own diagnosis involves but it seems that this diagnosis could be identifying a condition that resulted from abuse dealt by someone that she normally would trust. Overall from what I have read the last few weeks Altman seems to be an unethical sleeze who decide…

The point is that we don't know if what she is saying is true. I believe that she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Per all that she has said, this is a memory from when she was 4 - it could be extremely distorted by now. Even if it is entirely true (her family denies it), he was a small child when doing it - it is very much believable that at 13 he wouldn't even fully understand…

I don't know where you're from but when I was 13 I had a paying job throwing newspapers before sunrise. I did all my payment collections door to door though my Mom had to drive me to the route every morning. It was my first job and was a great introduction to job-related responsibilities.

At 13 years old, he should've been mature enough to understand when he would be crossing a line but instead he was not taught clear boundary issues. Was it because of bad parenting where they set no boundaries because he was the oldest son or something cultural? I don't know but at any rate in my view there is no universe where he didn't know that he was doing something wrong. He went for personal satisfaction over everything else just like he does in his dealings today.

Pretty funny seeing all the downvotes I get on this thread. I am pretty sure in real life that I would not want to hang out or socialize with any of the enabling cowards who support someone who could do this to his little sister and who could walk through life with so few restraints on his own behavior. Pretty pathetic.

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by doodlebugging » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 9:07 PM UTC

mlazos wrote: post #204

tsimionescu wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that we don't know if what she is saying is true. I believe that she believes what she is saying, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. Per all that she has said, this is a memory from when she was 4 - it could be extremely distorted by now. Even if it is entirely true (her family denies it), he was a small child when doing it - it is very much believable that at 13 he wouldn't even fully understand…

I don’t think it matters if he understands, imo if this is actually true (which we will never know) that’s definitely messed up. Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong.

>Most 13 year olds know that this is wrong.

Definitely true where I'm from.

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by gumballindie » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 9:27 PM UTC

Der_Einzige wrote: post #122

tsimionescu wrote: post #54

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He has been accused on Twitter of "climbing in her bed non-consensually" when he was 13 (and she 4). She has also explicitly said she doesn't actually want legal action for "experiences between a baby child and a tween child", again suggesting that anything that happened only happened when he was a child. She also has a history of mental illness.

You are being dishonest. She’s accused him of far more than that! But being that HN is ran by PG zealots, actually discussion of these allegations will be muzzled before it hurts anyone’s bottom line…

My guess is that he's protected by microsoft and affiliated media. But once he's served his purpose and the lid raised the accusations will resurface. But until then he'd have done loads of damage.

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by keep_reading » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 10:02 PM UTC

loceng wrote: post #68

keep_reading wrote: post #56

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You don't know that for a fact, you're speculating

Ironically you're making an assumption, speculating, and maybe they do know that for a fact - but we just don't simply know why they'd know, or if it's true. The best you can say is we don't know for sure. But considering the board initially fired him for being dishonest/lying in an ongoing fashion, and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with, it's not so hard to extrapolate that…

> and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with

Where's the evidence then? Why did they reinstate him if they had such amazing evidence of wrongdoing?

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Post by darkerside » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 10:09 PM UTC

andrew_ wrote: post #221

darkerside wrote: post #137

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I wasn't attacking the person, rather the style of argument being made. Ironically, your follow up comment does point out the typical HN rush to judgment, a much more literal ad hominem.

ad hominem? look in the mirror friend. > So they can shrink from and deny any possible conflict. you quite literally insinuated negative motive and action to follow directed towards an individual using a pronoun. take some personal responsibility.

An ad hominem is typically based on past actions and character. I know nothing of yours. It's just your argument itself that was shallow and insubstantive. You can take that personally, but it's not.

Is there another reason you were joking instead of just making your point?

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by gumballindie » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

dmurray wrote: post #23

euazOn wrote: post #10

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Source?

First I'd heard of this. But apparently true! But even publications treating the sister very sympathetically and hating on "cis white men" [0] make it clear that she seems to be mentally ill. [0] https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-a...

I am not surprised people havent heard about this. Altman’s being protected by the affiliated media until he does a final handover of openai to the right people. Naturally i havent been there, i dont know the facts. But people have went under for less than this, yet somehow altman’s being swept under the carpet.

Re: OpenAI Committed to Buying $51M of AI Chips from a Startup Backed by Sam Altman

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Post by FireBeyond » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 10:49 PM UTC

keep_reading wrote: post #235

loceng wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically you're making an assumption, speculating, and maybe they do know that for a fact - but we just don't simply know why they'd know, or if it's true. The best you can say is we don't know for sure. But considering the board initially fired him for being dishonest/lying in an ongoing fashion, and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with, it's not so hard to extrapolate that…

> and the board wouldn't do the firing without evidence they could back it up with Where's the evidence then? Why did they reinstate him if they had such amazing evidence of wrongdoing?

I didn't think the board reinstated him. Or not that board. That board was completely replaced.

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Post by twodave » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 11:01 PM UTC

xondono wrote: post #132

twodave wrote: post #127

I find it interesting that so many people here are quick to defend a person’s right to moonlight on whatever they want, and the right of a person not to have their IP stolen by the company they work for. But when it’s a public figure suddenly we are on the side of the plantation owners.. Good for Sam, I say. Money aside he should be allowed to keep his interests separate. Just because this other company is AI related…

There’s a world of difference between moonlighting and having the company you’re leading buy a product from another one of your ventures.

People keep saying this is true, but I haven’t seen it well-explained. So what? Maybe they have a good reason to go with this company he’s got a tiny stake in. Actually, having an inside track on how that other company operates could be a compelling reason _to_ buy its product.

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Post by FireBeyond » Sun, Dec 03, 2023, 11:02 PM UTC

infecto wrote: post #110

Culonavirus wrote: post #34

Come on. A guy mentions Sam's sister in his post and it's immediately flagged and hidden xD this site sometimes, seriously, the techbro team picking and worshipping is something else haha

Regardless if you like or dislike Altman, it is just a constant distraction to bring up his sister. I think most/all have heard it 10x by now. It’s very old, there has never been more evidence and his sister is mentally unwell. It serves no purpose to a a thread about OpenAI buying chips from a company he is invested in. Does anyone get tired by the tech bros label always being thrown out when people disagree. Can we…

> and his sister is mentally unwell.

Potentially as a result of or exacerbated by abuse, or tolerance thereof? Or made her an easier target?

> it serves no purpose to a a thread about OpenAI buying chips from a company he is invested in.

Certainly it does. Self-interest, conflict of interest etc., raises valid concerns about a person's sense of morality and ethics. Much like alleged assault or abuse of a vulnerable family member.