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Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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> Everything is archived online and I don't need a local copy. Even with Gmail, I hope you have a second copy of your data somewhere. You never know when your account might just disappear.

I think these concerns are vastly overstated, TBQH. The great majority of people seem to have no such issue with their accounts disappearing. It's one of those exceedingly rare but potentially catastrophic things, kind of like a nuclear reactor meltdown or being struck by lightning.

If it was actually rare, wouldn't Google have nothing to lose by offering the safety blanket of real-live support (even if paid per-incident)?

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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I think these concerns are vastly overstated, TBQH. The great majority of people seem to have no such issue with their accounts disappearing. It's one of those exceedingly rare but potentially catastrophic things, kind of like a nuclear reactor meltdown or being struck by lightning.

If it was actually rare, wouldn't Google have nothing to lose by offering the safety blanket of real-live support (even if paid per-incident)?

You can already get paid support.. by having an Apps account. This gets you access to an actual support line for emergency issues like, say, being unable to log in.

Not to mention a pretty reasonable SLA. At $50 a year, it's quite nice to have.

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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That's the reality of the cloud though, you're really just objecting to having all your eggs in one basket. There were legitimate users of megaupload that didn't break any ToS or host child porn, but they can't get any of their files back. If it's like dropbox, though, it's probably the most likely google product that people will have backed up locally. I use selective sync with dropbox, but everything is on at least…

> you're really just objecting to having all your eggs in one basket. Not really, there are existing projects[1] which allows you to to split your files like RAID0 or RAID5 across different cloud storage providers, losing a single slice will not lose data. The best part is, since each cloud storage provider has an incomplete partial of data, it totally protects your privacy. [1]: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-laf…

Interesting. I thought about doing something similar to unRAID in the cloud where you essentially designate one provider as a parity drive and can rebuild it or the others easily should one of them somehow be compromised (shut down or whatever). Would make it easy to add additional providers to the mix on the fly.

The parity drive could even be a local mount.

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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OK, so now when they suspend your Google account you also get to experience loosing whatever you had in Google Drive. Just for this I am converting my Dropbox account into one of their paid packages to do my part in ensuring they stick around. One would hope that at one point Google might start to realize that the way they are handling accounts could work against their own interests. I --and I am sure others-- have e…

I'll relate one of my own stories briefly so readers can understand where I am coming from. One of my clients had some 200 domains registered with GoDaddy. Since they were not in use they decided to park them in GoDaddy's "Cash Parking" service. Why not?

All was well for months. They didn't really make any money, but they were not expecting this to be the case anyway. A lot of these domains were slated to be used in perfectly legitimate sites as development progressed. For example, one of them was aimed at legal information and, yes, it was going to use ads served by Google when it finally went online.

One day my client says: "Hey, just learned that this GoDaddy cash parking thing is entirely served by Google. Why don't we cut out the middle man and use Google directly?"

He went on to point out that Google had a service called "AdSense Domain Parking" or thereabouts.

Here's how it worked: You park your domains with Google. They post ads on the domains. They pay you a percentage. Sounds easy enough.

So, using their Google account we transfered all 200 domains from the GoDaddy service to Google's Domain Parking service. You had to enter all the domains into an online form and they went through an approval process. I would imagine that they don't want to deal with objectionable domains. No problem with that. All 200 domains were accepted and went "live" with Google-based ad serving.

Now, let's clarify what this means: Google has FULL control over what ads are served. Furthermore, Google also has full control of the search that might lead to the discovery of these domains.

The domains were up for two days without any issues. On day three they received the dreaded "account disabled due to suspicious activity". Poof! Gone. Done. And that means everything: G-mail, Docs, AdWords, AdSense. All gone in an instant. To say that my client was distraught is an understatement. They just got their Google accounts killed off and didn't know why.

There was no real recourse of any kind and no way to communicate with an intelligent being of any biological species whatsoever. This was brutal, final, totalitarian and as unfair as could be.

Not one person in my shop or my client's shop touched any of these ads. We were far too busy with real business to engage in surfing for pennies-per-click. Then again, to this day, we don't know if the allegation was click fraud or something else. We'll never know. Some of the domains were political in nature so there are also some conspiracy theories floating about.

The point of the story behind this incident is that my client, a reputable and honest enterprise, lost access to all Google tools and services for the simple act of trying a service that they had been using for months through GoDaddy. Nothing changed other than GoDaddy was no-longer in the revenue stream.

This incident really damaged my client. The loss of documents and email was one part of it. The other was that some of the planned (and very legitimate) sites were going to use a business model based around ads served by Google.

That's when I basically pulled the plug on Google as far as recommending it to anyone at all. You can use Analytics because there's really no way that I know of for your account to be closed down based on your use of Analytics. Everything else is, as far as I am concerned, a ticking time bomb.

As far as I am concerned, if you build a business around or rely upon anything Google offers you are very likely out of your mind. It might work for some, but it is a dangerous thing to rely on.

It's interesting that this surfaced recently (NOT MINE): https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/call-upon-c...

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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We've seen this before. It was called google video. Google ended up buying youtube because even they could no longer deny they'd lost the battle and they couldn't risk it going to a competitor. Dropbox is in for a rough ride, as long as they can maintain focus and quality (beat them at customer support, that should be a walk in the park) they'll be the biggest YC exit ever once Google has run its course with the Goog…

Dropbox had a bug where anyone could impersonate anyone else and admin or delete anyone's files. That's the bar Google fails to meet?

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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I'm hoping this will compel Dropbox to reevaluate their pricing structure. Storage from Google is an order of magnitude cheaper than Dropbox - paid storage starts at $5/year, and for the same $100/year as the cheapest Dropbox account (50GB) you get 8x the capacity.

Or Dropbox could press for a US antitrust investigation as Google enters yet another market to dump free product financed by its search and web ad business.

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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What specific problem does this fix for the Google ecosystem? This feels very Microsoftian. Very "we must compete in every market" without good reason.

It probably helps solve the data barf problem on SD cards where every application is responsible for managing its own user data. Also, depending on the ToS, they can probably peek inside your files to gather more information about you.

You know the ToS, it is the new unified simplified privacy policy that says everything you ever touch is part of your advertising profile.

Re: Google Drive detailed: 5 GB of free space, launching next week

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post #127
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I'm hoping this will compel Dropbox to reevaluate their pricing structure. Storage from Google is an order of magnitude cheaper than Dropbox - paid storage starts at $5/year, and for the same $100/year as the cheapest Dropbox account (50GB) you get 8x the capacity.

Or Dropbox could press for a US antitrust investigation as Google enters yet another market to dump free product financed by its search and web ad business.

You can already upload and share files on Google. It's called "Google Docs".
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