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Re: Lobsters

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Post by kbenson »

stephenr wrote: post #40

Lobste.rs definitely feels like less of an echo chamber: both Reddit and HN have a large "I don't agree with you, downvote" population - on HN this is officially endorsed as "correct" use too.

For what it's worth, I've found reddit and H distinctly different in the down voting behavior. Reddit will down vote on disagree (depending on subreddit) no matter how the info or opinion is presented, but in my experience where it appears HN is down voting on disagreement it's more that the presentation was too forceful.

The biggest example of that IMO is people presenting opinions as fact rather than something to be explored. This can be subtle, and in conflict with how people debate or often discuss between two people, but given it's a public forum, a sprinkling of "I think" or "it seems to me" in in comments goes a long way towards not only not triggering some people into down voting, but also seems to promote more useful discussion around the topic as those or others seem more likely to voice their differences.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by GaggiX »

undersuit wrote: post #60
lormayna wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This resembles exactly the description of moderation in /r/italy. There are more people banned from there than people subscribing this subreddit.

WTH happened in November 2021 to kill that sub?

I'm on this subreddit, but it doesn't really seem dead to me, where does "November 2021" come from?

Re: Lobsters

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Post by Modified3019 »

losvedir wrote: post #94

I like lobsters. One of my main use cases is on my phone in the middle of the night (while rocking my newborn), since it actually has a legit dark mode, unlike HN, which blinds me and lights up the room. I don't understand how HN doesn't...

Darkreader is available for most browsers, desktop and mobile: https://darkreader.org/blog/mobile/

Re: Lobsters

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Post by jedberg »

dun44 wrote: post #31
treesciencebot wrote: post #23

Any reason why HN source code is not published? The best I can think of is not to let people see the penalizing behavior, but having an open standard might actually help it improve rather than keeping it as a hidden secret that slowly gets discovered by independent malicious parties.

>The best I can think of is not to let people see the penalizing behavior I wonder if it would be possible to split HN (or any other HN-like site) into two halves: one would handle the actual storage of posts and comments, and another would handle the scoring, ie the order the comment tree branches appear in. Then we could have multiple of the latter, competing with each other on the scoring alone, with the actual co…

The reddit open source code was basically this. The whole thing was open, including the scoring, but all the spam functions were just stubs that returned True or False as appropriate, without all the logic. Then we would override those functions with a private library that had all the spam logic.

I find your idea interesting about having a service that stores the links and comments (and presumably does spam controls too) but anyone can put their own scoring/sorting algo on it.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by narag »

evantbyrne wrote: post #52
Hakashiro wrote: post #32

I had an account here. I still do. Like some other people point out: Invitation-only means trolls are less likely to show up. But the higher end of quality is not significantly better than HN. If anything, it might be worse. My experience with the moderation there is that some people post clear self-promotion articles, but when I attempted to post my things, I get told that this content is not welcome on the site. Wh…

I've been lurking on Lobsters for a while, and have definitely noticed that the self-promotion rule is selectively enforced. Just pivot into exclusively writing content about an impractical docker alternative, and you should be golden. Snark aside, they could codify exactly what frequency of self-posting is allowed, and let the existing voting system dictate what rises to the top. I'm not sure Lobsters sees any issue…

I have always felt that invite-only communities have weird vibes to them.

So have I. The most weird thing is nobody ever invites me :)

Still find it worth lurking for more esoteric content though.

More esoteric content than HN? I find a lot of alien topics here. My biggest complain about HN is not on that particular.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by pja »

doe88 wrote: post #99

Great site, especially for PL and security links, I read it for a while now but never had the chance to know someone with an account/invite.

If you ask politely on the IRC & share a bit about who you are it’s fairly likely someone will send you an invite. No guarantees though - the likelihood probably depends at least partially on how long it’s been since the last bunch of self-promoting spammers set up their own little invite ring after being invited in...

Re: Lobsters

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Post by tempodox »

Hakashiro wrote: post #32

I had an account here. I still do. Like some other people point out: Invitation-only means trolls are less likely to show up. But the higher end of quality is not significantly better than HN. If anything, it might be worse. My experience with the moderation there is that some people post clear self-promotion articles, but when I attempted to post my things, I get told that this content is not welcome on the site. Wh…

That's probably why it's a ghost town. As far as I'm concerned, they can kiss my backside.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by tptacek »

GaggiX wrote: post #105
tptacek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lobsters has had a series of thoughtful moderators.

That's not really what people are sharing in this thread, to be honest.

I've read the thread and don't know what you mean.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by hwayne »

buildbot wrote: post #72
andy99 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird because primarily submitting one's own stuff seems to be pretty common there. Random example from a user currently on the front page: https://lobste.rs/~rednafi/stories And that is not the only one on the front page right now that's submitting mostly their own stuff.

That's not a particularly good example, their latest self-promo post has a warning from the mod on it...

To nitpick: that's not a comment from a mod. Posts speaking from a position of mod will have [sysop] next to the title. It's part of a "hats system", which more generally allows people to speak as representative of something. IE if /u/johncheng was a Rust core dev, they can post whatever they want as John Cheng, but also write posts as [core dev] to say they're speaking as part of the core team.

It's a neat system but doesn't see much use in practice, aside from the occasional [sysop] warning.

Re: Lobsters

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Post by gumby »

narag wrote: post #115
evantbyrne wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been lurking on Lobsters for a while, and have definitely noticed that the self-promotion rule is selectively enforced. Just pivot into exclusively writing content about an impractical docker alternative, and you should be golden. Snark aside, they could codify exactly what frequency of self-posting is allowed, and let the existing voting system dictate what rises to the top. I'm not sure Lobsters sees any issue…

I have always felt that invite-only communities have weird vibes to them. So have I. The most weird thing is nobody ever invites me :) Still find it worth lurking for more esoteric content though. More esoteric content than HN? I find a lot of alien topics here. My biggest complain about HN is not on that particular.

What are your complaints about HN?
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