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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by rbanffy »

angiosperm wrote: post #560
rbanffy wrote: post #435

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With proper training, that should be irrelevant. They probably had second thoughts, but they got confirmation that contact 4474 was descending rapidly.

It was a disgraceful dereliction of duty by the implementers of Aegis to recycle contact IDs so eagerly. With 4 digits it should have taken 10,000 subsequent contacts before that number came around again.

It was a lack of imagination. They didn't anticipate that case and probably just selected the contact IDs randomly. A bad RNG and an unlucky day is all it takes.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by brabel »

dataworm wrote: post #260
brabel wrote: post #168

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And where did you learn that? My wife is Ukrainian and knows lot of Russians and Belarussians (they're neighbours after all, and no they don't all hate each other!!), they watch each other TV shows and like mostly the same singers (they understand each other pretty well)... a lot of the biggest Ukrainian singers go to live and work in Russia (though obviously they're now being criticized heavily in Ukraine when they…

If you read any news in Ukraine you would know that. I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. Some Ukrainian singers live and work in russia, most stopped going there after 2014, even more after 2022. It's you who doesn't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. Ukrainians and russians do hate each other now. russians celebrate the killing of Ukrainian civillians,…

> I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion.

When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism.

You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on?

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by brabel »

tpm wrote: post #358
klibertp wrote: post #254

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> They are currently also bombing civilian areas, fully aware that they are civilian areas. They might be "fully aware" that those areas are used by the "enemy" to stockpile materiel and gather personnel. That would make those areas legitimate targets. Can you prove a) there were no military targets there, or b) the attackers were "aware" there were no military targets there? I can't - nobody can. That's why when you…

> Can you prove I am not going to prove anything to you. It's very well publicly documented, within 5 minutes of googling you can see hundreds of cases of russians targeting civilian infrastructure and civilians themselves. The only way you can deny it's happenning is if you decline to believe all of those cases, in which case there is no way you will believe anything anyone writes about the subject. > the attackers…

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by angiosperm »

rbanffy wrote: post #681
angiosperm wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a disgraceful dereliction of duty by the implementers of Aegis to recycle contact IDs so eagerly. With 4 digits it should have taken 10,000 subsequent contacts before that number came around again.

It was a lack of imagination. They didn't anticipate that case and probably just selected the contact IDs randomly. A bad RNG and an unlucky day is all it takes.

Sequential numbering would have been much less confusing to operators.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

brabel wrote: post #682
dataworm wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read any news in Ukraine you would know that. I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. Some Ukrainian singers live and work in russia, most stopped going there after 2014, even more after 2022. It's you who doesn't seem to have any idea what you're talking about. Ukrainians and russians do hate each other now. russians celebrate the killing of Ukrainian civillians,…

> I'm Ukrainian and everyone in Ukraine who isn't a russian supporter shares my opinion. When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually assoc…

Stop making stuff up, just because your wife doesn't hate russians doesn't mean that all Ukrainians don't.

> When you say "everyone supports my opinions" you're basically denying people their own voice - I am in touch with Ukrainians and what you say is plain wrong - you don't need to be in Ukraine to know that. Seriously, your opinions are the kind of opinions people in the West generally view as signs of dicatorship and actually associate with Nazis and fascism.

I said that everyone in Ukraine supports my opinions, because I, unlike you, know what's going on in Ukraine. You have no clue about Ukraine or the opinions of Ukrainians. Some Ukrainians have relatives in russia, many have cut ties with them. I'm not denying people their own voice, just saying that almost all Ukrainians hate russians, which you would know if you lived in Ukraine.

> You believe your opinions are right, everyone who is not "a russian supporter" shares them with you, and that ALL russians are nazis - when will you realize you are the problem, not the imaginary nazis both Ukrainians and Russians keep blaming everything on?

Who doesn't believe their opinions are right? Even if you don't, that doesn't make me 'the problem'. Why the quotes around russia supporter? A very small part of Ukrainians support russia, some even collaborate with them. I'm not claiming that everyone that doesn't share my opinions is a russia supporter, just saying that every Ukrainian that isn't a russia supporter hates russians because of the oppression and murder of Ukrainians by russia for many centuries and the war raging right now. There is nothing fascist about stating the facts. Where did I say that ALL russians are nazis? I said that only about russian soldiers. How am I the problem? Did I invade Ukraine? Did I kill tens to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians? Did I commit horrific war crimes? I haven't done anything to blame me for the war. Ukrainians, unlike russians, don't blame anything on 'imaginary' nazis. They blame the war on the russians. The russians support the invasion, as they supported the war in Georgia, occupation of Crimea and the war in Donbass. russia is a fascist dictatorship, you need to be a brainwashed russian supporter to disagree with that.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

cies wrote: post #52
tpm wrote: post #43

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NATO bombing of serbian power stations was done in response of Serbian ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, after the horrible crimes against humanity perpetrated by serbian forces in Bosnia. "russians doing the same" is a blatant lie. What the russians are doing is a genocide.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is pretty low on civ casualties. Look at Gaza, or the Iraq/Vietnam invasions compare numbers (civ casualties AND time it took) and then draw conclusions on the use of the word genocide. I also would abstain from using "russians" (or USAers, or Israelis) when referring to actions of the respective govts. Keeps the discussion cleaner of generalizations wrt people that may totally not suppor…

That your comment is neither flagged or downvoted, while some supporting Ukraine are downvoted or both, shows whose side HN is on. Very sad.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

dontlaugh wrote: post #626
simne wrote: post #594

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Well, Ukraine is not near US, but Ukraine asked US for support, trying to de-occupy Ukrainian territory, which is defined and agreed by dozen of international treaties. Absolutely same thing happen at Persian Gulf, allies asked for support from US and help arrived.

After the US supported a coup in 2014, installing a government and military structure that would help NATO push east (despite previous agreement) and later violate the Minsk agreements. The world would be a better place if you stayed at home.

A non-downvoted and non-flagged comment that directly parrots russian propaganda with no sources whatsoever. How wonderful!

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dontlaugh »

simne wrote: post #642
dontlaugh wrote: post #626

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After the US supported a coup in 2014, installing a government and military structure that would help NATO push east (despite previous agreement) and later violate the Minsk agreements. The world would be a better place if you stayed at home.

Could you give adequate sources, how you decide that 2014 was coup?

Even Jacobin has a decent article https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia...

One of its most notable events was the burning of a trade union building by self-proclaimed neo-Nazis. When fascists kill trade unionists and then end up part of the army, it tends to be a coup.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dontlaugh »

dataworm wrote: post #687
dontlaugh wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the US supported a coup in 2014, installing a government and military structure that would help NATO push east (despite previous agreement) and later violate the Minsk agreements. The world would be a better place if you stayed at home.

A non-downvoted and non-flagged comment that directly parrots russian propaganda with no sources whatsoever. How wonderful!

As opposed to the non-downvotes and non-flagged comments parroting NATO propaganda with no sources whatsoever?

Americans’ obsession with Russia is quite the thing. There are other countries out there where disagree with you without being pro-Russian.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dataworm »

brabel wrote: post #683
tpm wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you prove I am not going to prove anything to you. It's very well publicly documented, within 5 minutes of googling you can see hundreds of cases of russians targeting civilian infrastructure and civilians themselves. The only way you can deny it's happenning is if you decline to believe all of those cases, in which case there is no way you will believe anything anyone writes about the subject. > the attackers…

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