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U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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They don't "run countries," but there is massive corruption. Prohibition is basically a price-fixing scheme, and makes illegal drugs obscenely profitable. Years ago I knew a friend who got into it, and he made over $20,000 in one weekend by simply driving a car across the border once. (He ended up getting in trouble unfortunately, though he's much better now and no longer involved.) If a person is willing to put up w…

But of course you have ZERO evidence of US cops, judges, officials being involved in large scale drug trafficking. And how exactly does a corrupt judge work given the appellate process?

>And how exactly does a corrupt judge work given the appellate process?

Seriously? I can think of a handful of cases, let alone methods, without even resorting to Google.

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I'm curious how they attacked this network -- I'd assume the payment side is still the easiest, and they could look for some patterns and then set up physical surveillance at WU or other locations to catch cash transactions.

> accepting payment through PayPal Uh. How did they expect to remain anonymous with a PayPal account?

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Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

#43
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Ecstasy is horribly nasty stuff. People rarely OD, but it can vary quickly do significant and permanent brain damage with heavy use. The real problem is when the symptoms show up they are basically permanent. Honestly, prolonged heroin use is significantly less harmful, the only good thing about ecstasy is the unpleasant side effects and fairly long high limit how much people take.

MDMA (if that is what you mean, as street 'Ecstasy' can contain any number of other ingredients) is by most metrics one of the safer recreational drugs out there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210

MDMA isn't -that- harmful. You're assuming when you buy Ecstasy you're being solid pure MDMA, which often is not the case.

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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5,200 orders valued, in total, at $1M. Over a ~2 year period. That's it? Hardly seems like much of a story. Particularly since Tor is of limited use when your system depends on electronic payment systems.

$1m / 5200 = $192 average order.

With a conservative estimate of 3x markup on product (seems way high, especially if these guys were just middle men), $20 shipping (national, Fedex) and 0 hosting costs they're making 192-(64+20) = $108 per order.

$108 * 5200 = 561,600 / 2 / 8 = $35,000 per person per year, or $16 an hour if it was a full-time job.

Considering that anyone with the skills to set up an anonymized marketplace site should be able to find work that pays far more than $16/hr this seems like more an ideological exercise or hobby than a money-making cartel.

Whether or not you consider it to be worth spending probably $3m+ on investigating, trying and imprisoning these 8 people is another ideological question...

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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Costing society probably $100K/yr/each to imprison them.

Nope. It costs close to $30K/year to imprison somebody in the US. So make that $250K/year to imprison this sorry bunch.

In California it was $50,000 for the 08-09 year. But if you read the footnote it states "since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500." Almost a $20 thousand increase in 8 years, I'd hate to see what it is now or worse in another 7 years.

We have to add in the cost of Correctional Officer salaries and the Wardens who can easily make over $220,000 a year.

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/...

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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Looks like Hushmail was their weak point. Feds got court order from Canada based on treaty and it flowed from there. But yeah, between advertising, shipping, getting paid and moving money around it's hard to stay anon .

I never understand why people have such a fundamentally difficult time grasping the concept of plaintext and/or subpoenas. If someone knows enough to trade drugs on Tor, they definitely should be using strong encryption on anything and everything pertaining to it, including email. Month after month handfuls of new stories come out about someone outed and/or owned by emails or other plaintext communication that was no…

My theory is that only idiots get caught. If you read the article, it was a tiny operation considering the global illegal drug market. They only sold $1M worth of drugs in three years, that's silly.

They didn't catch some big fish criminals, they caught some idiot kids who thought they could easily make money.

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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The entrepreneur in me really feels for them. They're true entreppies. Risking literally everything. Sure we risk our life savings and sacrifice having a normal life but they risk losing all that AND the chance at being thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Every time you hear a new drug commercial on TV, pay close attention to its side effects: permanent lung damage, eye damage, brain damage, death, heart atta…

You know...I have always hoped that as the older lawmakers died off, drugs would be decriminalized. However, I've since accepted that the huge amount of propaganda being shoved down our throats on a daily basis and the willingness of much of the population to not question what they're told/shown means the system will just recreate itself when that happens. Most voters are simply network repeaters...they happily echo…

Hear, hear. I think it's important to acknowledge that the drug war persists for the same reason the TSA does: that there are large-scale industries, with hundreds of thousands of employees, which would be painfully disrupted by a change in policy. The fear-mongering is how they defend their continued existence, it is not the reason for it.

Liquor companies; prison guard unions; police units who self-fund from drug raids; even semi-legal MMJ growers who oppose full legalization. All of these entities, and others, have a strong incentive to perpetuate the persecution of millions of Americans for the crime of questionable health choices.

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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> accepting payment through PayPal Uh. How did they expect to remain anonymous with a PayPal account?

When I first heard about this, I heard they anonymized their payments through bitcoins. PayPal seems a bit of a move to widen their market

No, that's the Silk Road.

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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5,200 orders valued, in total, at $1M. Over a ~2 year period. That's it? Hardly seems like much of a story. Particularly since Tor is of limited use when your system depends on electronic payment systems.

I believe they were using bitcoins to anonymize some transactions. The hardest thing for a regular consumer I would think would be finding a drop point. Drugs and things sent through the mail would be fairly easy to track to a consumer who could then be charged for possession.

> Drugs and things sent through the mail would be fairly easy to track to a consumer

Yeah, how?

Re: U.S. busts Tor drug market, arrests eight

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I never understand why people have such a fundamentally difficult time grasping the concept of plaintext and/or subpoenas. If someone knows enough to trade drugs on Tor, they definitely should be using strong encryption on anything and everything pertaining to it, including email. Month after month handfuls of new stories come out about someone outed and/or owned by emails or other plaintext communication that was no…

My theory is that only idiots get caught. If you read the article, it was a tiny operation considering the global illegal drug market. They only sold $1M worth of drugs in three years, that's silly. They didn't catch some big fish criminals, they caught some idiot kids who thought they could easily make money.

"My theory is that only idiots get caught"

No, only idiots do this to begin with.

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