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Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by nullserver »

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Could be TMJ. Look up TMJ massage by Bob and Brad. Could also be high cranial pressure. Look up IIH for that.

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Post by nettsundere »

nettsundere wrote: post #409
fierro wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is the neurovascular conflict?

Disclaimer - I’m not a doctor. Simply speaking, the vessel in my brain got too close to the nerve, causing me to become almost 100% deaf on one side, the whole thing took 1 day, probably as a result of a stressful day, combined with the overall setup of my brain. The lack of signals coming from the ear is now causing my brain to “hear” the sound based on what is happening in a vein, some false data coming (and also n…

I had the MRI scan made, and surprisingly the doctor who did it also suffers from that thing. We are both in 30-40 years old range. This helped me to accept it, not going to lie. Like being able to ask somebody who knows what tinnitus is.

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

jbd0 wrote: post #410

Tea tree oil is an ototoxin. I had what I thought was a wart on the backside of one of my ears, and when I put a cotton ball with one drop of tea tree oil on it, I immediately heard ringing and ripped it off. The ringing has remained. It's not severe, but I've read stories online where people have put tea tree oil directly in their ear canal and were badly affected. This has to be relatively common, with how popular…

for those like me, ototoxin literally means toxic to the ear.

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Post by firejake308 »

hanniabu wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #8

Can't wait. With me it is ups-and-downs, at times it's great for months at a stretch and sometimes it is so bad I can't listen to music (or play). There are many different forms of tinnitus and usually some mechanism or cure operates only on a fraction of all cases so I'm hoping that this is as broad as possible. Note to younger self: stay away from loud concerts.

Have you been on antibiotics since you had it? If so, did it make it any worse? I have a slight case of tinnitus and need to do a 2 week round of neomycin. Doctor says it shouldn't make it worse since it's a short course, but I'm still concerned/anxious about it.

You should be okay. I've found a couple of studies that have looked at groups of patients in the hundreds, with no worsening of hearing loss (and presumably, no worsening of tinnitus) [1][2]. Caveat is that both studies were done in kids, since they get more ear infections in general. Also, "topical ear drop medications containing gentamycin or neomycin do not appear to be ototoxic in humans unless the tympanic membrane (ear drum) is perforated" [3].

[1]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16890085/

[2]https://doi.org/10.1177/019459989310900114

[3]https://doi.org/10.4103/0971-7749.161014

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Post by collyw »

dahart wrote: post #388
collyw wrote: post #384

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What difference does it make if covid causes it? Most people took the vaccine, pretty much everybody got covid anyway. The vaccine was voluntary (with a lot of unethical coercion).

What do you mean what difference does it make? Isn’t it clear that you cannot attribute tinnitus to the covid vaccine, if the covid virus (or any virus, or any vaccine) causes tinnitus as much or more often than the vaccine does? If the per-capita rate of onset tinnitus symptoms when getting the vaccine is lower than the rate of onset tinnitus when catching covid, then the vaccine isn’t just not implicated, it’s effe…

Pretty much everyone got covid anyway. The vaccine was an unnecessary intervention that didn't do anything to stop covid and caused harm to many people. Just admit you were conned into taking it.

Haven't you noticed, after smearing, slandering and discriminating against those who chose not to take it, there is very little interest in following up with comparisons between the two groups? You would have expected scientists to be really interested in comparing the groups considering it was done under Trump's operation warp speed, and used a novel technology never before approved for human use. Instead the vaccine free are ignored. Tells me all I need to know.

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Post by manmal »

jbd0 wrote: post #410

Tea tree oil is an ototoxin. I had what I thought was a wart on the backside of one of my ears, and when I put a cotton ball with one drop of tea tree oil on it, I immediately heard ringing and ripped it off. The ringing has remained. It's not severe, but I've read stories online where people have put tea tree oil directly in their ear canal and were badly affected. This has to be relatively common, with how popular…

Any ideas how the oil would have transpired from the back of the ear inside? Sounds unlikely to me.

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Post by xigoi »

hackernewds wrote: post #302
huytersd wrote: post #103

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That is interesting. I assumed everyone could hear that. I can hear the sound (roar, ocean, wind) when I move my jaw forward but I can also just directly control it without moving anything else. It’s a muscle I can feel myself controlling and contracting in my inner ear.

I think that is the experience of _everyone_

It’s not. I have no idea what you all are talking about.

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Post by dahart »

collyw wrote: post #415
dahart wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean what difference does it make? Isn’t it clear that you cannot attribute tinnitus to the covid vaccine, if the covid virus (or any virus, or any vaccine) causes tinnitus as much or more often than the vaccine does? If the per-capita rate of onset tinnitus symptoms when getting the vaccine is lower than the rate of onset tinnitus when catching covid, then the vaccine isn’t just not implicated, it’s effe…

Pretty much everyone got covid anyway. The vaccine was an unnecessary intervention that didn't do anything to stop covid and caused harm to many people. Just admit you were conned into taking it. Haven't you noticed, after smearing, slandering and discriminating against those who chose not to take it, there is very little interest in following up with comparisons between the two groups? You would have expected scient…

I haven’t had covid, as far as I know. Of course I saw the recommendations to get the vaccine, but I didn’t see any smearing or slandering or conning, I don’t know what you’re referring to. The company I work for did allow vaccinated people to return to work before unvaccinated people, and to me that seemed like a prudent choice at the time, but the vaccine requirement was dropped at my work a long time ago. I’m sorry that your choice had unfairly negative consequences for you, especially if you felt bullied.

Please keep in mind that it doesn’t really matter if a lot of vaccinated people still got covid later. That was expected, because the ‘vaccine’ was not a covid cure. If the spread was slowed and the symptoms were reduced significantly, then the vaccine was successful. There has been lots of science on the unvaccinated, and it found that they died and were hospitalized from covid at much higher rates than vaccinated people. I believe there is plenty of science still happening on the secondary effects of the vaccine, so being unaware of it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I’m not aware of “harm to many people” who took the vaccine. What harm are you referring to, and how many people were harmed, exactly? Did that harm happen less often or more often than to people who got covid? Just like with tinnitus, you can’t take anecdotes out of context when it happens to someone vaccinated if you don’t compare it to people who weren’t vaccinated.

BTW, while the covid vaccine was an untested vaccine at first (like all vaccines before trials), it did go through trials and it was not untested technology. mRNA therapies had been used in other non-covid trials for a decade, and tested against other infectious diseases for several years before the covid vaccine was developed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

Think about it: at this point, we have more data on the effects of the covid vaccine than almost any other vaccine or drug in all of human history. Concerns about it being untested did maybe make sense in March of 2020, but it has now been thoroughly tested and so those concerns don’t make that much sense to hold on to anymore, right?

So I take it you weren’t very interested in talking about tinnitus?

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Post by jrnichols »

Experiencing tinnitus after years of working around saws, aircraft, and being in a band has been one of the reasons the past 4 years especially have been miserable. The proliferation of face masks suddenly made communicating with people extremely difficult where it was only a slight annoyance before.

this article was fascinating and I hope they find a cure for this in my lifetime.

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Post by Gare »

collyw wrote: post #383
Gare wrote: post #336

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I got vaccinated three times (with Pfizer). No ill effects on my hearing/tinnitus (I was monitoring it). Then I got COVID (Omicron), was quite sick for several days (lost smell) and it seems the tinnitus worsened a bit in one ear. So... your mileage may vary, as with everything.

Th vaccine worked well then. Let me guess, it would have been so much worse without it...

I cannot test that counterfactual now, can I?

But some people had it worse, so I guess it didn't hurt. And it is probable that vaccines protected me from original strains, which were worse.

If anything, I'm dissapointed that they didn't develop vaccines for new strains soon enough.

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