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Not a real engineer (2019)

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Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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I love it! Reminds me a bit of the protagonist of Aphyr's Verb-ing the Technical Interview series, with the parentheses of salt and bough of cloud pine and deep arcane knowledge.

I think this is what you are referring to: https://aphyr.com/tags/interviews>

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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post #29

I just recently got into Steve Howe. He's considered one of, if not the best guitarist of all time and I came across a quote he had that said something like he wished guitarists would focus on being musicians. Same thing as coders to engineers. I've come across more technically able programmers than I am. But they aren't better engineers. And a lot of that is because I'm an entrepreneur and have a marketing secondary…

Just a minor note. Howe is good, one of the best yes, but Paco De Lucia reigns far above them all.

Can you add some qualitative comparisons that make you say that?

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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I just recently got into Steve Howe. He's considered one of, if not the best guitarist of all time and I came across a quote he had that said something like he wished guitarists would focus on being musicians. Same thing as coders to engineers. I've come across more technically able programmers than I am. But they aren't better engineers. And a lot of that is because I'm an entrepreneur and have a marketing secondary…

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Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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The people doing hiring make mistakes - it's a bloody difficult thing to do successfully. They also sometimes save you from working in a place with people you wouldn't like much anyhow. They're not really good at coming up with excuses why they didn't select you - it's a crap shoot. Perhaps they get a "not a Trump supporter" impression from you and that makes them feel like you'll never fit comfortably. If you really aren't their kind of person why would one want to work there?

The search for a job always puts me in a depression and I haven't got any answer except that you have to not hope too much about any one job - or be too dismissive of one that doesn't seem quite so amazing. You just cannot tell what will happen - my first boss in my current job turned out to be horrendous and there were not nice people working there and ...... they left the company! I got promoted. How could I predict that? The hiring people cannot predict you either - it's all a bit of a random and uncomfortable process.

When I'm on the other side of the table I've got some priorities:

1. My boss gave me a short bit of advice which is "try to hire nice people." I'd rather work with good developers who can be friendly and help each other and get along without always having to get their way than people who think they are highly productive geniuses and deserve to be in total control.

2. Is the candidate interested in software, or indeed anything. If they are not a bit enthusiastic about software, technology or something relating to the work then how will they learn the things they need to know that aren't on their CV? One should expect people to need to learn and not come "ready made."

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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post #36

The people doing hiring make mistakes - it's a bloody difficult thing to do successfully. They also sometimes save you from working in a place with people you wouldn't like much anyhow. They're not really good at coming up with excuses why they didn't select you - it's a crap shoot. Perhaps they get a "not a Trump supporter" impression from you and that makes them feel like you'll never fit comfortably. If you really…

> If you really aren't their kind of person why would one want to work there?

I like to be able to afford my rent. Some food sometimes, as a treat.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a minor note. Howe is good, one of the best yes, but Paco De Lucia reigns far above them all.

Can you add some qualitative comparisons that make you say that?

Here’s a fantastic display of Paco de Lucia’s music: https://youtu.be/0o8vszqVL2U?si=XtT-dhzaQZuKOoyN

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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I’ve lived both sides of this. I’ve been subjected to the mysterious whims and casual insults of the job-seeking process. I’ve also interviewed and rejected experienced candidates who talked a great game but couldn’t demonstrate the ability to code FizzBuzz-level problems in any language.

It’s not a choice between “the tech interview sucks” and “the job market has many unqualified candidates.” Both can be true, and in fact I think they are related in a market-for-lemons way.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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post #36

The people doing hiring make mistakes - it's a bloody difficult thing to do successfully. They also sometimes save you from working in a place with people you wouldn't like much anyhow. They're not really good at coming up with excuses why they didn't select you - it's a crap shoot. Perhaps they get a "not a Trump supporter" impression from you and that makes them feel like you'll never fit comfortably. If you really…

> If you really aren't their kind of person why would one want to work there? I like to be able to afford my rent. Some food sometimes, as a treat.

I think that people in the software industry usually have quite a lot of options. Sometimes you might have to be prepared to move or to take a salary hit, but of all professions it seems to be quite a good one to be in at the moment - at least where I am and compared to everyone else.
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