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Not a real engineer (2019)

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Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by mysterydip »

nine_k wrote: post #9
raincom wrote: post #6

“we’re looking for somebody more technical” = Yes, they are looking for that savior to solve all problems—-problems that hiring manager/hiring group/hiring company want to solve. Yes, where is that person? where is he/she?

Usually somewhere in Unaffordabland.

"Our salary range actually tops out at half what we posted. If we posted the real range, we wouldn't get enough qualified candidates!"

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by jongjong »

So it's not just me then. Is it implying that software engineer job adverts are fake?

If the problem is oversupply of talent, you'd think salaries should drop as people compete for limited jobs... But that would only be the case if we had a free market.

I feel like to get a job as a software engineer, you have to pretend to be brainwashed. Just act very friendly and optimistic, pretend to be member of a minority group and make sure you tell them that you're fully vaccinated and boosted. Also, use a stage name on your resume instead of your real name and a separate email address.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by kazinator »

jongjong wrote: post #12

So it's not just me then. Is it implying that software engineer job adverts are fake? If the problem is oversupply of talent, you'd think salaries should drop as people compete for limited jobs... But that would only be the case if we had a free market. I feel like to get a job as a software engineer, you have to pretend to be brainwashed. Just act very friendly and optimistic, pretend to be member of a minority grou…

The way I interpret the poem's message is that sometimes hiring can concentrate on the wrong estimators of ability, ignoring indicators that the applicant can open a can of whoop-ass.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by klik99 »

kazinator wrote: post #13
jongjong wrote: post #12

So it's not just me then. Is it implying that software engineer job adverts are fake? If the problem is oversupply of talent, you'd think salaries should drop as people compete for limited jobs... But that would only be the case if we had a free market. I feel like to get a job as a software engineer, you have to pretend to be brainwashed. Just act very friendly and optimistic, pretend to be member of a minority grou…

The way I interpret the poem's message is that sometimes hiring can concentrate on the wrong estimators of ability, ignoring indicators that the applicant can open a can of whoop-ass.

Interesting - I interpreted it as how it feels to take rejection very personally - someone not getting the job feeling like there is something deeply wrong with themselves

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

My favourite, slathered with a generous amount of sarcasm gravy, is:

  They feel they have candidates who are a bit stronger
  coding wise that fit their needs right now that they
  want to proceed with.
This said twice.

Once before any interaction at all and the same after an initial meeting when the technical interviewer had not bothered to review any of multiple FOSS projects made available beforehand.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by OldGuyInTheClub »

kazinator wrote: post #13
jongjong wrote: post #12

So it's not just me then. Is it implying that software engineer job adverts are fake? If the problem is oversupply of talent, you'd think salaries should drop as people compete for limited jobs... But that would only be the case if we had a free market. I feel like to get a job as a software engineer, you have to pretend to be brainwashed. Just act very friendly and optimistic, pretend to be member of a minority grou…

The way I interpret the poem's message is that sometimes hiring can concentrate on the wrong estimators of ability, ignoring indicators that the applicant can open a can of whoop-ass.

I thought this as well. At my shop, everyone in the hiring chain has adopted the "Talent Acq" mindset. Even engineering managers just do Keyword matching for skills. No one thinks about the problem needing to be solved and that maybe, just maybe, complex problems require people who can "open a can of whoop-ass" on them. That's a gift, not a skill and it does NOT fit the process.

Re: Not a real engineer (2019)

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

OldGuyInTheClub wrote: post #17

An avatar of Vishnu can't get hired? Sounds about right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narasimha

The problem with Vishnu is he is limited to only having four arms and two ears, which of course limits Vishnu to supporting at most two production systems and, therefore, not being able to handle "web scale."[0]

0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

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