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Can someone please explain why they are using styrofoam inside the walls of the cathedral? Styrofoam is basically plastic.
Stone is pretty terrible at insulating.
Old cathedrals are either cold, or extremely expensive to heat.
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Exactly. The whole point of doing replica of something so old especially for religious reasons is the struggle. It doesnt matter how long it would take or hard it would be. It might never get finished and in this case that would be fine too. Instead this seems closer to concrete/plaster Disneyland for monks wanting to roleplay times long gone.
Catholicism is known for recognizing of value in bringing beauty into the world, but AFAIK it's agnostic (see what I did here?) about using hand vs tech in achieving this goal. Also, it's not replica, it's a new thing following old tradition.
This is neither creative nor is it contemplating hand process.
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Exactly. The whole point of doing replica of something so old especially for religious reasons is the struggle. It doesnt matter how long it would take or hard it would be. It might never get finished and in this case that would be fine too. Instead this seems closer to concrete/plaster Disneyland for monks wanting to roleplay times long gone.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. Gothic architecture was the state of the art when it arrived on the scene, as were the building techniques involved. Sure, the labor involved dedication, perhaps it was penitential for some, but no one was maximizing for labor and exertion. Labor also cost money.
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Exactly. The whole point of doing replica of something so old especially for religious reasons is the struggle. It doesnt matter how long it would take or hard it would be. It might never get finished and in this case that would be fine too. Instead this seems closer to concrete/plaster Disneyland for monks wanting to roleplay times long gone.
I know where you're coming from, but I'm not sure I agree. Traditional medieval cathedrals were built right on the limits of the materials, skills and labour available and still took generations and sometimes still collapsed due to overambition: especially lantern crossings, which are heavy and only supported in the corners. Builders of cathedrals used the cutting edge tools and techniques of their days. If they'd de…
I am very aware cathedrals used to be cutting edge architecture/process. And new churches are still being build like that.
But making building that looks 600 years old today is opposite of cutting edge.
Thats why this effort doesnt make sense to me.
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Gothic Revival (aka Victorian Gothic) was the original "fake gothic" (gothic-style building built with "modern" Victorian tech) and tbh it's absolutely delightful. The same can't be said for Brutalism, which originated much later (1950-1960s) but generated frankly ugly and non-maintenable buildings.
Not sure if it counts as Victorian Gothic, but The Natural History Museum in London is one of the most delightful building I've seen. Not only the general architecture, but all the natural history theme that applies to all the Gothic design elements. Animals replacing Gargoyles, etc. A beautiful building.
[1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_Institute.j...
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sherfield_Building_over_Q...
[3]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_College_Bus...
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Catholicism is known for recognizing of value in bringing beauty into the world, but AFAIK it's agnostic (see what I did here?) about using hand vs tech in achieving this goal. Also, it's not replica, it's a new thing following old tradition.
Is it a new thing? Cathedrals were made by creative trying to be creative and push things available at the time. Cutting edge. Lots of new churches being built today are like that. Its actually one of few types of buildings where clients still care less about economics and more about quality/beauty. This is neither creative nor is it contemplating hand process.
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Is it a new thing? Cathedrals were made by creative trying to be creative and push things available at the time. Cutting edge. Lots of new churches being built today are like that. Its actually one of few types of buildings where clients still care less about economics and more about quality/beauty. This is neither creative nor is it contemplating hand process.
My dictionary defines 'replica' as a copy [of an object]. So unless this monastery is a copy of another monastery (and according to what I read it's not) it's not replica. Not being a copy, it's absolutely a new thing as much as a blues song written yesterday, in spite of blues not being new thing.
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The real question is "why"? And why would anybody think that's a good idea?
Beauty is worth spending and suffering for.
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I don't disagree, but i don't like how you make out socialism as the villain, sounds like you grew up with a lot of cold war propaganda. The absence of socialism means violence and war. If the states had a working social system, crime rates would be much lower. Personally I like to blame humanism for everything, that is, the delusion that humans are somehow better than what we really are.
I don't disagree that some degree of social policy is needed for a country to be healthy. Brutalism, though, was the blind application of the socialist principles to architecture, which generated more misery than what it tried to prevent.
Btw, I'm neither a socialist or proponent of modern architecture. Will call those out for their bs anytime too.
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Please don't use socialism as a word for "thing I don't like". I am so tired of this. No, I am not siding with socialists. I despise them, but I don't make the mistake of blaming bad things like me stubbing my toe on "socialism" just because I don't like a group of people. Brutalism isn't socialism. I hope you will remember that.
Brutalism and socialism are so intertwined, it’s like saying women and people aren’t the same thing. Technically true but it’s still a stupid point.
