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Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by metafunctor » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:02 AM UTC

jaeckel wrote: post #156

bartvk wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I also use it for that. I've asked people the question, "can you click your ears"? Of course, they don't understand me, because it's such a vague question. I started asking, "can you relieve your ear pressure without moving anything else", and most people answer no. One person who dived, answered "yes, of course!" like it's something all people can.

If someone doesn't know how to do it, they could still learn it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valsalva_maneuver

That’s not the same thing, I believe.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by KomoD » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:05 AM UTC

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

> I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax).

I can do that as well.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by adamddev1 » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:05 AM UTC

htamas wrote: post #133

adamddev1 wrote: post #56

Here's a very interesting study about how manual osteopathy on the temporal bones could help the auditory nerve/tinnitus. It's been a huge relief for me. https://norcaloa.com/CAOT/articles-in-press/CAOT-101018 I've suffered from tinnitus that's gotten worse at times, and for me it definitely feels like there's some sort of nerve that's pinched or damaged because my hearing is totally fine but when certain muscles are…

I told my doctor about this effect of yawning and he said that’s just a reflex, unrelated. However my tinnitus started when they removed my wisdom teeth and that’s also when my TMJ started, so I’m pretty sure they are somehow related, and my tinnitus is generated by some kind of a bone/ligament alignment issue. It’s very interesting what you said about ostheopathy, I would try it out except I’m afraid it can just as…

Ya I also have had wisdom teeth removed and TMJ issues for a long time, and it also seems related. The nice thing about Osteopathy is that it's very gentle so it shouldn't be as dangerous as more aggressive or invasive treatments. Some Osteopaths are especially experienced with ear-related things. I've had very, very good results from it personally.

For me the biggest help has been that as well as general physio/exercises (especially eccentric neck muscle exercises with a exercise band) around the neck getting all hose muscles healthy and relaxed.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by teh_infallible » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:05 AM UTC

abdela wrote: post #145

jomamasayknocku wrote: post #73

I’m surprised more people haven’t mentioned noise canceling headphones as a possible cause. There was an HN thread about this awhile back. This has been mentioned on many forums, google it.

My tinnitus (from a single loud party), which I had before noise canceling headphones, gets worse with noise canceling headphones, but only temporarily, like 2 or 3 days. I found out as well that my headphones plays my own voice back to me so that I dont shout, but was able to turn that off in the settings (Jabra 2), which seems to help.

I’m not saying it’s the only cause, but it may well aggravate it.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250886390

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by BreadPants » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:06 AM UTC

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Lemme guess, somewhat narrow palate, slightly recessed jaw. Unable to breathe exclusively through the nose during high intensity workout. Possible indications of sleep apnea.

If they're detecting nerve damage, it's happening from nerve compression. Tinnitus being a manifestation of the compressed nerve.

I would bet money rapid palatal expansion with a proper midpalatal suture split would cure you.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by Naijoko » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:09 AM UTC

for all people who have tinnitus or the tinnitus is worse because of a visit by the dentist. I have tinnitus and it got much much worse when I got a filling. The reason is they have to make the filling the height of the teeth that was there bevore. even half a mm more can make your jaws clinch and you get tinnitus. My luck I fund another Dentist who took this seriously and took some of the filling away so my jaw didnt clinch anymore... and bam my tinnitus was back to normal. only a little anectode that could help.

The first dentist did deny that it did came from the filling and the other one did say thats new to him and he will study on this and see me next week urgently. A week later he said it could be and we should try it ... many many many thanks to that doctor without him I would maybe killed myself

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by nobrains » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:10 AM UTC

painted-now wrote: post #123

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

It took me a long while to figure out that I can make my tinnitus better by pushing by jaw backwards (using my hands). As I understood it, the ear and the jaw muscle are delicately close. "Pressure" on the ear can somehow cause the nerves to send such signals. I got prescribed some special training to relax the muscles in the neck and jaw area; still need to start it. I read that being able to modulate the tinnitus t…

My symptoms started along with my jaw crackling. So it seems they are related.

Putting my symptoms here:

- Constant noise in ear

- Also seems like noise / tingling sensation in the brain

- Is higher just when I wake up

- Started along with an infection that went to the ear. Infection cleared up. Tinnitus didn't.

- Been on for a year and a half.

- Its terribly unbearable. Not suicidal level but very close to it.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by beingfit » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:13 AM UTC

adamddev1 wrote: post #56

Here's a very interesting study about how manual osteopathy on the temporal bones could help the auditory nerve/tinnitus. It's been a huge relief for me. https://norcaloa.com/CAOT/articles-in-press/CAOT-101018 I've suffered from tinnitus that's gotten worse at times, and for me it definitely feels like there's some sort of nerve that's pinched or damaged because my hearing is totally fine but when certain muscles are…

> Here's a very interesting study about how manual osteopathy on the temporal bones could help the auditory nerve/tinnitus. It's been a huge relief for me.

> https://norcaloa.com/CAOT/articles-in-press/CAOT-101018

Is this something that only a medical professional should do? If not, I’d love to see a video of this. I can’t figure out from the figures what one is supposed to do.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by beingfit » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:20 AM UTC

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

For me, with tinnitus in one ear (buzzing), what helps is moving (and stretching) the jaw downwards and sideways away from that ear. The jaw bone on the side with tinnitus also makes a low cracking noise every time I make this move. Keeping my jaw in that weird position (downwards and sideways) turns off the buzzing many a times. But it’s temporary. It’s also not easy to keep the jaw in that tensed position for a long time. On the other hand, keeping my jaws relaxed does not make it better or worse.

I’d love to know if there are any videos of exercises that could help reduce or cure this form of tinnitus.

Re: Tinnitus linked to undetected auditory nerve damage

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Post by 3rd3 » Sat, Dec 02, 2023, 9:21 AM UTC

makk wrote: post #108

jader201 wrote: post #96

I don’t know if this is a clue, but I can do muscle movements in my head/face/jaw to make the tinnitus worse (only as I make the movements, immediately reverting back to “normal” tinnitus as soon as I relax). Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands Another possible clue: this has been true since I can remember — even as…

Some examples: - jutting my jaw forwards - moving my ears back with my face muscles - pushing downward on the top of my head with my hands That's wild. Never tried that before but just did and I can 100% repro.

To this list I'd add pulling the jaw backward/inward.

Moving the jaw forward and then to the right has the biggest effect for me, causing the ringing on the left ear to increase. It's asymmetric in that moving the jaw to the front left has only a very small effect on the right ear.

Moving the ears backwards has no effect for me.