I’ve been wanting something like this for a long time. My tastes are a little offbeat sometimes. Wax Tailor, one of my favorite artists, uses sampled dialogue from films, educational programs, corporate videos and whatnot to create quite interesting sonic creations that I just love. I wish more we’re creating similar types of music (I just found Biosphere’s “Petrified Forest” which is themed to that old movie - and a…
Hah! Are you my lost twin? I have tried various approaches to search for something to Wax Tailor's "Que Sera" and have found only Barry Adamson's "Something Wicked This Way Comes" (you will recall from Lost Highway ) and Venetian Snares' "Gloomy Sunday." If you have more that are similar, let me know.
Music-Map – Find Similar Music
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Yes, so amazingly labor-intensive. Now I have found some programs which boast of a feeble seventy percent accuracy in identifying the key of a song (if you were going to use the Camelot System to build a mix).
Hm... I never thought that would be extremely useful but I think I have that working close to perfection on piano (I need it for audio->midi->score conversion), I should probably try it on other styles of music as well.
Another trick I heard was taught in schools was "don't tickle me with a feather and then hit me with a brick."
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That's exactly what I've been working on. Choose it based on the people someone chose to work with and those networks. It's very much just a single user system that I haven't generalized because that's a way harder problem, the rules aren't generalizable. Classical music for instance, may have 15 names on the credits, a jazz record may have like 4 labels it gets placed on. Let's take an EP by a popular artist. It may…
That makes sense. I threw in my favorite (used to be underground) artist and saw every side-project they had pop up (and they have around a dozen). OTOH, I just threw in Nujabes and saw a number of people I do not recognize, which I find interesting. From my tests, the suggestions make sense. It seems to be better than the spotify "I will play things that send you into an echo chamber" algorithm.
The musicologists do a serious study and have sophisticated tools I can't pretend to understand but their results sound similar: so similar that the serendipity and adventure is sucked out of it.
Also they suffer from the generality problem as well. Qualities that matter in one genre, such as airy female vocals in a minor key, or whatever, are absolutely irrelevant for another genre. Take for instance, Irish folk music where it may be signal and say, Acapella, where it may be noise. Thus considering them is both right and wrong and we're back to our problem.
If you want to categorize the music to "fix" the problem, you run into binning issues. Let's say early 90s hardcore; they can have trance, breakbeat, dnb, house and jazz sections in a single song. Good luck trying to use your genre based contextual mapping on an unsupervised model.
The popularity approach, which ignores the content, is deceptive because it appears in many forms: people who listened to X also listened to Y or Y is trending or any of a number of variations where some magnitude of humans or temporal delta is used as signal.
These all tend towards the not long end of the long tail and so you eventually get the same mediocre experience - you start with your obscure prog rock group from the 1960s and 20 songs later you're at Cream or Hendrix. The "solution" is to tamper the drift via clustering but it will tend the same directions.
In practice though, these approaches service the majority of tastes, that is familiarity, so they're fit for purpose.
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#114A similar website, but using genre clustering instead of artists: https://everynoise.com/
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In my personal experience I gave up on Pandora. It was regularly suggesting me music that wasn't at all similar to the song I started on. In fact it was consistently worse at finding me similar music than just plain Spotify radio (or playlist enhancer) and/or YouTube Music radio. Contrast Chosic (which is free) - its recommendations are configurable and usually hit the mark much better: https://www.chosic.com/playlis…
Haha, same. I used to work in a music equipment rental warehouse that was staffed by musicians and all day we would be curating and training our favorite Pandora stations. If a bad song came on the person closest to the computer would scan the warehouse to see how many of us were giving that song a thumbs-up or a thumbs-down and train the algorithm according to our votes. The trouble was, despite our diligent trainin…
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"I don't really listen to music" == "I don't breathe much". Way back I had friends over, one of them was looking through my CD collection which was minimal at the time, maybe 60 CDs. "Wow, you have a lot of CDs, do you listen to all of them?"
> "I don't really listen to music" == "I don't breathe much". Could you elaborate? I definitely used to be a person who just didn't listen to music - I found it quite boring, really. I've since found genres that I like that I listen to on occasion, but definitely still not as frequently as the average person.