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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard, and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. I'd like to nitpick "doing actual pickup truck work". The Lightning gets terrible mileage, to the tune of roughly 100 miles on a charge, while hauling which ICE trucks do not…

Modern “truck things” are Costco runs and taking the kids to soccer practice. Maybe towing the ski boat to the lake twice a year. Real work gets done with utility vans or 15 year old trucks the size of a modern midsize suv.

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> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard, and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. I'd like to nitpick "doing actual pickup truck work". The Lightning gets terrible mileage, to the tune of roughly 100 miles on a charge, while hauling which ICE trucks do not…

>while hauling with ice trucks do not ????????? My truck does 12l/100km highway without hailing, 30-35l/100km while hauling. Ice trucks definitely feel it.

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A million people have paid the reservation for it. That's already many more units than the amount Tesla is going to be able to build in the following years. edit: Apparently it's 1.9M reservations.

Reservation is just $100, I did it on a first day just for the lulz.

You lent Tesla $100 just for the lulz?

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AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.

> AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common Can you provide a list please? You are very much mistaken without getting into supercar territory.

AFAICT, Tesla was testing against a base model 911. The list would be pretty short comparing against a Turbo S.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Interesting that the marketing image on that page is clearly meant to suggest driving around on Mars. I think it is clear from the design and marketing that this truck is meant as a fashion statement not a work vehicle. It will be interesting to see if it catches on. I like some of the ideas used in the vehicle's construction, though I do not like how dangerous it appears to be for pedestrians. If I made a prediction…

A quote I've seen attributed to Carl Sagan comes to mind, "But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." The Cybertruck is definitely different and attention grabbing. But there's good and bad versions of that and I really feel like…

I actually saw an Aztek on the road yesterday, I was shocked

> The Cybertruck also looks like the future, but as envisioned by a SyFy movie of the week that stars Lorenzo Lamas and that ran out of money and built their future vehicle out of spray painted plywood sheets.

100% agreed

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Especially most trucks

> Especially most trucks I'd argue not. Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. If I were to guess, I'd put my money on SUVs having the largest fraction of users who rarely if ever push the vehicle to its limits. That or sports cars.

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Especially most trucks

> Especially most trucks I'd argue not. Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. If I were to guess, I'd put my money on SUVs having the largest fraction of users who rarely if ever push the vehicle to its limits. That or sports cars.

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Limiting EV torque off the line is probably one of the lowest-hanging emissions reduction fruits out there, given that (by estimates I've seen) tire wear for current EVs is in aggregate 20-50% faster than ICE vehicles.

The tire thing you've heard has been started by one article that misleadingly bundled tire and breakpad particles with all other emissions summed up by weight . This was extremely misleading breakdown, because it discounted all of the ICE gases that are toxic, but weigh almost nothing, and lighter combustion particles that stay in the air, versus tire particles that are typically heavier and stay on the ground. Of co…

Is it or is it not true that EVs shed tire rubber particles at a significantly higher rate than like-for-like ICE vehicles?

I said it was low-hanging fruit because it's my understanding that it is: since EVs (again, correct me if I'm wrong) generate more tire rubber particles because of their comparatively high torque output, it's literally a software fix (limiting torque) to cut those emissions to ICE levels or, potentially, even lower. The only reason not to do it is that many people view their personal vehicles as large, expensive toys, and they will be less fun toys if their acceleration performance is curtailed.

I don't see this as a "gotcha" for EV technology, because it has such a trivial solution, and it was not my intent to suggest that ICE cars are less (or more, for that matter) damaging to the environment. I'm honestly not sure why you would read my comment that way.

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As for the harm done by microplastics like tire rubber particles, it's my understanding that they don't simply stay on the ground, but rather that drainage carries them into the ground, waterways, and ultimately oceans, where they remain intact for some indefinite period and cause largely unquantified disruptions to local organisms and ecologies. It's not obvious to me that they won't ultimately be more of a problem than airborne pollutants, since they may be much more persistent and difficult to remove.

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Ask people about their thoughts on Hawaiian Pizza

I have my own opinon about pineapple on Pizza, but I'm not so full of myself that I think anyone with the opposite opinion is "wrong". They're opinions and preferences, not facts.

That means you a decent human! Plenty of people do make a very big deal out of opinions as innocent as pineapple on Pizza :)

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Lexus is already doing steer by wire, they used it to make a vehicle with a yoke that didn't suck to operate (as much anyway): https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-lexus-rz450e-steer-b...

Sounds like a terrible idea to me, honestly. Even Boeing aircraft still have a mechanical linkage. And Cybertruck won’t be a fighter jet no matter how much Elon proclaims it so, it’s just worlds away in terms of maintenance and safety engineering compared to what happens on an aircraft. Not saying it will be common but some sucker will eventually be killed by this.

> Not saying it will be common but some sucker will eventually be killed by this.

People are killed by vehicles every day, and some of those are vehicle failures as well. Saying someone will be killed by it isn't interesting. The question instead is will it fail more often than existing designs, which is something only time will tell. But we've had throttle by wire for a long, long time now, and unintended acceleration issues caused by the system failing are largely unheard of. It's completely possible to engineer a robust electrical system just as it's completely possible to have design faults in the mechanical systems that cause premature wear & failure.

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