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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by actionfromafar »

tw04 wrote: post #27
latexr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just a case of liking names, they should also be functional ¹ in terms of spreadability. If this OS eventually does what it is meant to do, I will want to tell people about it and get them to try it. When making a recommendation in a social setting, there’s a tiny window to get the other person interested in whatever you’re suggesting they watch/play/try. If the name is hard to understand, difficult to remem…

I think you’re going a bit overboard. Telling someone “raven with a y instead of an e” isn’t THAT difficult to convey or remember.

Think about virulence. If you are near a threshold, the slightest decrease can stop the contagion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7853563/

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

latexr wrote: post #38
tw04 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re going a bit overboard. Telling someone “raven with a y instead of an e” isn’t THAT difficult to convey or remember.

> I think you’re going a bit overboard. I am not. I speak from vast experience of trying multiple approaches. Maybe English is the first language wherever you live. That’s not the case for the majority of the world. Even if my friends and I have a good grasp of the English language, switching mid-sentence causes a delay in understanding. It’s not just “raven with a y instead of an e”¹ but “raven, as in ², but with a…

>I guarantee that would need to be repeated multiple times, with the other person having to take out their phone and asking questions in the midst of typing, and I’d still have to check and they’d have it wrong first time.

Definitely not. I'd just tell the raven os and let them google it. Google would find it anyway.

Which I know you didn't even try before writing this italics laden diatribe because the bigger issue is that the name is already taken (albeit abandoned).

https://github.com/raven-os

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by steve1977 »

creatonez wrote: post #70
rollcat wrote: post #58

It's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png > - What the actual heck is that window bo…

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

Rhapsody looked pretty decent IMHO…

http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by alpaca128 »

BSVogler wrote: post #59
hospitalJail wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully. I don't understand this. Are you saying its hard to install Linux? Has this ever been true? Usually you smash the Next button. There is a partioning screen, but that is some serious changes you are going to make. I don't care what OS religion you follow, I'm taking the blindfold off during partioning.

Yes. You need to be very technical. E.g. there is a keyboard selection thing with multiple ambiguous options while on Mac you have to press like one key to identify it. Even windows somehow works without requiring a PhD in keyboard layouts.

On modern distros the installer will already have the right one selected if your keyboard layout matches the system language (which is true for 99% of computer users). I'm pretty sure Fedora doesn't show you the list of layouts unless you want to manually change it.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by Affric »

creatonez wrote: post #70
rollcat wrote: post #58

It's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png > - What the actual heck is that window bo…

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

Therein lies the raison d'etre of Apple and Mac.

I thought Rhapsody looked good.

95% of it is the fonts. Apple always does well with the fonts.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by barbariangrunge »

rollcat wrote: post #58

It's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png > - What the actual heck is that window bo…

The aspiration to be on par is cool and over time, hopefully they pull it off. But it probably comes down to them having some dedicated graphic designers and Ux designers (and an audio person would be nice too), and foss projects have historically done poorly at recruiting those people.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rollcat »

creatonez wrote: post #70
rollcat wrote: post #58

It's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png > - What the actual heck is that window bo…

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

You don't advertise WIP software as "built with finesse"; and even if you do, you must at the very least put said finesse into the choice of screenshots you present.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by computershit »

latexr wrote: post #23
krylon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like either name as well, but if it does what it is meant to do, I won't mind.

It’s not just a case of liking names, they should also be functional ¹ in terms of spreadability. If this OS eventually does what it is meant to do, I will want to tell people about it and get them to try it. When making a recommendation in a social setting, there’s a tiny window to get the other person interested in whatever you’re suggesting they watch/play/try. If the name is hard to understand, difficult to remem…

If the product slaps, the product name is immaterial.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by rafram »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #52
latexr wrote: post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

> The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. I'd guess it was probably intended, and that makes things worse. I know - as someone else was commenting - that naming things is hard, but for something like this, finding a name that is easy to pronounce, and easy to spell, should be a high priority. Off the top of my head, playing with the fact that it is an OS, it runs on a Mac, and is base…

> Perhaps WozOS would be better?

Maybe, but I genuinely would not be surprised if Woz held and enforced trademark rights on his name. It’s his brand - see Woz U.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by creatonez »

steve1977 wrote: post #73
creatonez wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint. There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

Rhapsody looked pretty decent IMHO… http://toastytech.com/guis/rhap.html

Yes, but it only devolved from Mac OS 9 by adding a bunch of unpolished NeXT GUIs, and the development necessitated the temporary removal of features and apps that were already polished.
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