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RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by alpaca128 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #24

Maybe this is just me but I never considered Apples approach to software installs to be elegant. And I’m not a fan of their unified menu bar (or most aspected of their desktop environment for that matter). What I’d love to see would be a whole new desktop environment for macOS (homebrew has its warts but is a “good enough” package manager for my day to day needs)

I don't mind the idea of installing applications by dragging the icon to the folder. The problem is that many applications simply don't have the Application folder show up in that window. Seems like Apple relies on developers to make this interaction consistent, which obviously doesn't work.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by apozem »

whalesalad wrote: post #56

This is incredibly awesome. I would love to see a lot of this on Linux, too. Apple has always had the best compositor in the business. The marketing page is a little more generous to this project than the actual screenshots though, lol.

Yeah, I had the same thought viewing the screenshots. I like that this project exists, but they've got a long way to go with those Windows 95-esque buttons and scrollbar.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by bityard »

scythe wrote: post #55
steve1977 wrote: post #14

I can see the freedom of FreeBSD part, but not the finesse of macOS. And without that, why not just use FreeBSD?

One moderately frustrating thing about using FreeBSD is that it's always been treated as sort of a second-class citizen by GNOME, and therefore Gtk, and therefore most of the Linux ecosystem which depends on Gtk. So probably the most popular desktop environment is KDE, and it's nice, but it is a certain kind of interface which doesn't appeal to everyone. Meanwhile, OS X shares a little code with FreeBSD and was parti…

> OS X shares a little code with FreeBSD and was partially derived from it around 30 years ago.

The first release of FreeBSD was 30 years ago, OS X a little over 20.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by I_Am_Nous »

latexr wrote: post #60
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. I'd guess it was probably intended, and that makes things worse. I know - as someone else was commenting - that naming things is hard, but for something like this, finding a name that is easy to pronounce, and easy to spell, should be a high priority. Off the top of my head, playing with the fact that it is an OS, it runs on a Mac, and is base…

JoyOS is particularly good. It’s short, has a clear cadence that helps to identify its parts (joy-o-s) as has multiple positive reads. At first you’ll just assume “it’s a joy to use” (which could be a slogan) but then has the historical reference that makes the name even better and more meaningful once you learn it.

And if we say it fast, it sounds like Joyous - something most people would consider "good" to be!

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by alpaca128 »

fragebogen wrote: post #40
blackhaz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is an OS finesse?

My interpretation would be that it's about the same level of polish ux/ui-wise as macOS. As with OP, unfortunately I don't see it either - the screenshots show some resemblance with macOS but without any of the finesse.

It's not completed yet. The features are listed under the section "project goals" and the download button has a note calling it a developer preview image.

In my experience with some Linux distros goals alone don't necessarily work out, but the approach with trying to be compatible with actual Mac OS apps is already more notable than an Ubuntu reskin.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by hedora »

grey_earthling wrote: post #51

I know some of this is personal taste, but to me macOS really doesn't feel finessed. It feels confusing, distracting and annoying. I suppose a large part of the problem is that I want a useful tool, whereas macOS is designed to be a lifestyle.

My main problem with MacOS is that, on careful inspection, almost everything is buggy or clunky.

I wish someone would just clone the headline features and app UIs (not the UI toolkit) but apply more attention to details like regression testing.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by mod50ack »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #52
latexr wrote: post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

> The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. I'd guess it was probably intended, and that makes things worse. I know - as someone else was commenting - that naming things is hard, but for something like this, finding a name that is easy to pronounce, and easy to spell, should be a high priority. Off the top of my head, playing with the fact that it is an OS, it runs on a Mac, and is base…

> is it Jobs or Woz?

I prefer to read it as an homage to Steve-O.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by creatonez »

rollcat wrote: post #58

It's nice that more people in the FOSS community take note of macOS's design and (historically, at least) attention to detail. However, this project (judging by the screenshots, which is how everyone is going to judge you if you claim to be inspired by Apple's work), they're already making serious (but fixable) mistakes: https://ravynos.com/images/ravyn_0.4.0_pre_desktop.png > - What the actual heck is that window bo…

What should WIP software look like? There was a time when the 1998 beta for macOS, called Rhapsody, looked horrible and disjoint.

There was also a time when the iPhone looked like this - https://i.imgur.com/wwH2UoF.jpg

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