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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by sfjailbird »

mattnibs wrote: post #732
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #713

One of the issues it'll face in Europe is weight. One source I found for the "cyberbeast" model claims a 6843-pound curb weight. That's 3.1 metric tons. While there are discussions for special allowances for electric cars, the current limit of what you're allowed to drive with a normal driving license in the EU is 3.5 tons of gross vehicle weight rating. In other words, in order to allow most people to drive the Cybe…

Are pickup trucks common in Europe?

No. An F150 looks grotesque in a European city.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by CaptWillard »

Always_Anon wrote: post #755
starcraft2wol wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cybertruck is the maga hat of trucks How is this a real comment?

EDS: Elon Derangement Syndrome

The hate for Elon is trite, tedious and says more about the weakness of the hater than their virtue.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ethanbond »

natch wrote: post #337
ethanbond wrote: post #160

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“The competition does shady things too” isn’t really an argument for this not being a simple case of posting misleading prices…

For the record you’re not quoting me. I said no such thing. Misquoting is not an argument. It’s not shady because it’s clearly labeled.

It wasn’t a direct quote but did you edit your comment? Pretty sure it was originally framed that MSRP was somehow evidence Tesla’s behavior is not simply misleading the customer. Apologies if you didn't edit and I just misread it the first go-around.

Anyway, it’s kind of silly to say MSRP is “more misleading” when MSRP literally stands for “manufacturer suggested retail price.” It says right there in the name the retail price may be higher or lower.

I don’t think this is some clever Streisand effect marketing ploy. It’s just slimy pricing practices.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by iainmerrick »

devnullbrain wrote: post #859
iainmerrick wrote: post #824

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Yikes! Even assuming it all works correctly and safely, who actually wants a steering wheel like that? What's the upside? The only possible advantage I can think of is that when you start the car up again after having reverse parked, it'll be more obvious what way the wheels are currently pointing, so you can straighten up. But that's such a trivial problem.

Transformationally easier packaging requirements.

Can you clarify? You just mean by going from a round wheel to a rectangular yoke, right?

(I assume you don't mean removing the whole steering column. That's definitely a big deal, but it's independent of the shape of the steering control)

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by phito »

mattnibs wrote: post #732
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #713

One of the issues it'll face in Europe is weight. One source I found for the "cyberbeast" model claims a 6843-pound curb weight. That's 3.1 metric tons. While there are discussions for special allowances for electric cars, the current limit of what you're allowed to drive with a normal driving license in the EU is 3.5 tons of gross vehicle weight rating. In other words, in order to allow most people to drive the Cybe…

Are pickup trucks common in Europe?

They're not but I am starting to see more and more of them on the road and I hate them

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by dkrich »

yreg wrote: post #464
dkrich wrote: post #397

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Funny because I think it’s weird that Tesla perma bull analysts automatically assume this car will be popular and sell millions without a single person actually receiving one or knowing the prices.

A million people have paid the reservation for it. That's already many more units than the amount Tesla is going to be able to build in the following years. edit: Apparently it's 1.9M reservations.

A reservation is $100 (refundable) or 1/10th of 1% of the purchase price. That's not a reservation, it's a thinly veiled attempt to pump the perceived success of this launch and share price. They know it, you know it, I know it, and the market knows it.

Talk to me when they require a 20% down payment and I'll believe the hype.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by kllrnohj »

bravetraveler wrote: post #842
kuhsaft wrote: post #709

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You can absolutely get feedback from steer-by-wire. Ask any racing sim enthusiast. Those racing sim wheels can provide enough feedback to rip the wheel out of your hands.

That "feedback" doesn't meet my poorly framed hyperbole. I'm intimately familiar as a driver; both in sims and Real Fast Cars. At what point does it go from feedback to lies? Some computer saying "yep, this is what's happening", if you're lucky. I'll yield that has been the trend for eons. That said, I don't want more of it. What lead to my first comment is the understanding that Tesla doing something where it's... d…

It's important to keep in mind what the actual market for the vehicle is. It's not a sports car. Road feel is an anti-goal, it's undesirable in this market. Just like it's undesirable in the market for the Lexus - luxury SUVs. All you want here is some dynamic weighting for cornering loads and even then not that much of it.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by leokennis »

paulus_magnus2 wrote: post #827

Elon did his usual "escape forward" trick but in the end this iteration does not deliver what was promised. I reserved a $40k truck in 2019 that was supposed to be much easier to manufacture than regular cars - hence the relatively good price. No expensive paint shop, much easier line to make body panels of cold rolled steel bent into shape. Exaskeleton from a single. Industrial design, no side mirrors, no wipers. 6…

> And please make it road legal for Europeans with a regular driving licence.

Please don’t. I’d like to keep this ridiculous children killing behemoth off European roads if at all possible.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by starcraft2wol »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #792
starcraft2wol wrote: post #679

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Do you have any engineering information to back that up?

EuroNCAP has a standardized 'Vulnerable Road User' (VRU) test protocol since at least 2012. [0] This vehicle will absolutely fail every single specified test. Anyone buying this should first come to terms with the fact that it is not a rational purchase, rather than trying to post-rationalize reasons to do so. [0] https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/77298/euro-ncap-vru-testing-p...

Does that booklet include any cybertruck information or are you just sure it won’t pass?

> should first come to terms with the fact that it is not a rational purchase,

We’re talking about luxury tech products. It’s not rational to buy anything on that site.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by Kon-Peki »

scoopr wrote: post #799
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #240

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> trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations Correct. It's because of "...the fine print of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards adopted in 1975, Gerald Ford’s reluctant response to a crippling Middle East oil embargo that sent gas prices soaring. To protect American commerce, work trucks and light trucks were subject to less-strict CAFE standards than family sedans. Trucks are also exe…

But is there really no downside to "driving a truck" in US? Out here northern europe, if a car is classified as a truck, then you have lower speed limits, and possibly need to drive a separate truck-driving-license.

Sure, for very heavy trucks. But the Cybertruck is not even close to being heavy enough to qualify.

I live in an area where the Cybertruck is heavy enough that the annual registration fees will be 2-3x higher than a regular car. But then again, if you are a "farmer" then all the truck stuff becomes cheaper. You know that all the largest cities in the US are located in states (New York, California, Illinois, Texas) with huge agricultural areas. And they all have lots of laws to protect and help farmers.

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