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RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#41
Meh

macOS is more than shiny traffic lights buttons on your windows, global menus, and dock.

It's also a clipboard that works everywhere and not like "oh you cannot do this because X11 this or wayland that", it's also human interface guidelines (the old ones, the new ones are unparseable shit) that make bloody sure that the OK/Cancel buttons appear where you expect them to appear.

It's also some bloody keyboard shortcuts that work everywhere the same and not every bloody app bringing in their own and their own little ways to configure them or none at all. Yeah chrome, I'm looking at you.

It's also that the most used system stuff can be configured pointy-clicky and that stuff that the system can figure out on its own is what it bloody figures out on its own, without me having to drop down to command line (although it is an avenue too, and command line and GUI must be in sync).

It's also that it's accessible out of the box. Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully. Come on. OS X could do it since Leopard, I think, which was in... 2007?

In other words, macOS could abandon their Aqua looks and go for industrial NeXTStep looks, and still be ahead of almost everything else in terms of consistency, accessibility, and general lack of fuckness.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#42

I can see the freedom of FreeBSD part, but not the finesse of macOS. And without that, why not just use FreeBSD?

What is an OS finesse?

It appears like they’ve aped some of MacOS design language, but it’s clear they’re engineers, not designers. There’s enough “uncanny valley” between this OS and actual modern Apple UI design that it comes off a bit like all those versions of KDE that tried to look and act exactly like Windows XP and always felt a bit “off.” Their screenshots page is a Frankenstein mess of poor font quality and Apple themes mixed together dating back to OS X.1

I think it’s better when a team actually has designers working for them and comes up with their own real UI standards, (see Pop!_OS). IMO Apple’s UI design isn’t particularly good so it’s not like some holy grail we should copy and paste to Linux.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#43
Huhh this is really cool. Never heard of it. And FreeBSD is actually my daily driver.

So apparently it can run macOS apps? More or less. Cool. It'll be hard to find those compiled for intel though going forward. But we'll see.

I'm actually quite happy with KDE on FreeBSD but perhaps their compatibility work can also be applied to vanilla FreeBSD. The only thing I really miss from macOS is Pixelmator.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#44

Frankly I think these days a Linux based emulator like Wine would be a smarter decision .

Really goes to show the demand of exclusive MacOS software.

To be fair, if something is on Mac, it is usually on Linux. Windows is a bit different.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#45
post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

It's not a joke that one of the hardest problems is naming things. So many promising products and businesses shoot themselves in the foot by choosing a name that hurts adoption.

My personal example of this is the security company “Thycotic”. They could be greatest InfoSec company in the world, but I really hate their name. It looks like the word psychotic said with a lisp.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#46
> We’ve got your apps covered

No you dont, RavynOS and HelloSystem are mediocre wrapper projects.

Put your efforts towards GNUStep, don’t run with it and making something pretty.

If GNUStep worked, it could be ran on Unix like systems people actually use like Ubuntu.

This project is going to fail with “finesse”.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#47

Meh macOS is more than shiny traffic lights buttons on your windows, global menus, and dock. It's also a clipboard that works everywhere and not like "oh you cannot do this because X11 this or wayland that", it's also human interface guidelines (the old ones, the new ones are unparseable shit) that make bloody sure that the OK/Cancel buttons appear where you expect them to appear. It's also some bloody keyboard short…

> Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully.

I don't understand this.

Are you saying its hard to install Linux? Has this ever been true? Usually you smash the Next button. There is a partioning screen, but that is some serious changes you are going to make.

I don't care what OS religion you follow, I'm taking the blindfold off during partioning.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#49
post #38
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re going a bit overboard. Telling someone “raven with a y instead of an e” isn’t THAT difficult to convey or remember.

> I think you’re going a bit overboard. I am not. I speak from vast experience of trying multiple approaches. Maybe English is the first language wherever you live. That’s not the case for the majority of the world. Even if my friends and I have a good grasp of the English language, switching mid-sentence causes a delay in understanding. It’s not just “raven with a y instead of an e”¹ but “raven, as in ², but with a…

We can agree to disagree. By your logic every small open source project needs to hire a marketing firm to ensure their naming convention is easy to understand and inoffensive in every language on the planet. I think that’s overboard.

The project is clearly being built by someone that speaks English and is targeting English speakers. Notice their website and documentation is all in English?

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

#50
Not a chance this gathers any traction.

You can just hear: can I run 'popular macOS application' on it? No.

The average user, for starters, doesn't use a computer (most consumer tasks are done on a phone), and won't know how to install a different OS even if they do.

Run FreeBSD on the server and use the macOS Terminal to connect to it over ssh.

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