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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by steve1977 » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:52 PM UTC

cable2600 wrote: post #7

ianai wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a really good idea since apple is abandoning its x86 software. It’s an opening for FOSS to pull in new GUI frameworks/features. Could really help gain userbase.

They use FreeBSD and Darwin open-source code. Darwin is the core of MacOS with the XNU/MACH Kernel. So they are doing nothing wrong that Apple can sue them over it. The trick is writing the code that does what the Non-Open-Source code of MacOS does to run the Mac Apps.

> The trick is writing the code that does what the Non-Open-Source code of MacOS does to run the Mac Apps

And that is where the magic happens.

GNUstep has been trying to provide a useful open source alternative implementation of OPENSTEP for more than 20 years now I believe. I don’t see that happen to be honest.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by Bad_CRC » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:53 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

tragedeighOS

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by BossingAround » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:53 PM UTC

ungamedplayer wrote: post #9

ianai wrote: post #2

This looks very promising! Thinking of putting it on something.

I think when brew works nativelu it will be much more functional and fun to use.

Why? Brew is a workaround for not having a proper package manager on macOS. Can't you use the native package manager instead?

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by steve1977 » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:54 PM UTC

I can see the freedom of FreeBSD part, but not the finesse of macOS. And without that, why not just use FreeBSD?

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by krylon » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:56 PM UTC

IWeldMelons wrote: post #10

Frankly I think these days a Linux based emulator like Wine would be a smarter decision .

I vaguely recall reading about a project trying to achieve just that on HN a while back. Unfortunately, that is all I remember about it. Back then, it apparently was not quite there, yet, but that must have been at least five years ago, so the situation might be a lot better today.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by krylon » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 12:58 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

I don't like either name as well, but if it does what it is meant to do, I won't mind.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by jdiff » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 1:04 PM UTC

krylon wrote: post #15

IWeldMelons wrote: post #10

Frankly I think these days a Linux based emulator like Wine would be a smarter decision .

I vaguely recall reading about a project trying to achieve just that on HN a while back. Unfortunately, that is all I remember about it. Back then, it apparently was not quite there, yet, but that must have been at least five years ago, so the situation might be a lot better today.

Unfortunately not. Darling [0] is still at the point that it can only run command line applications. Only the most basic GUI applications are supported. That's still a massive accomplishment that I don't want to diminish, but it's nowhere near the point that WINE was at even quite a long time ago.

[0] https://www.darlinghq.org/

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by lakpan » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 1:04 PM UTC

Bad_CRC wrote: post #12

latexr wrote: post #4

> ravynOS (previously called airyxOS) Subjectively, I find both names terrible. There’s zero chance I’ll vocalise either to someone and they’ll know how to spell it. The current one in particular is bound to have people typing “ravenous”. But the idea is interesting, and even though the screenshots don’t yet inspire confidence (the typeface is too thin, folder icons are too square, …) I wish the team the best of luck…

tragedeighOS

a-aronOS

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by JoBrad » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

BossingAround wrote: post #13

ungamedplayer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think when brew works nativelu it will be much more functional and fun to use.

Why? Brew is a workaround for not having a proper package manager on macOS. Can't you use the native package manager instead?

I have used brew on Linux for dev tooling, because it’s so easy to switch versions.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by JoBrad » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 1:13 PM UTC

gumballindie wrote: post #8

Well done for runining my weekend! I will give it a try. However, still struggling with NVidia drivers on FreeBSD. For the life of me I can't get them to work.

I’m honestly not sure why they would stick to BSD. The first thing many folks do when they start a Mac is install Gnu Tools and other things to make it more like Debian.