A reality bending mistake in Apple's computational photography

Post by astrange » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 6:30 AM UTC

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> Is it 100% pixel perfect to what was happening at the time? No, but I also don’t care. No photographer thinks images the they get on film are perfect reflections of reality. The lens itself introduces flaws/changes as does film and developing. You don't have to be a purist to want the ability to decide what gets captured or to have control over how it looks though. Those kinds of choices are part of what make photo…

But regular people expect it. And then they take a picture of the moon and they are disappointed.

Post by astrange » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 6:36 AM UTC

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I have no objection with what we have today either but it does feel slippery slope-y, especially in the AI era. Before we know it our cameras won’t just be picking the best frame for each person, it’ll be picking the best eye, tweaking their symmetry, making the skin tone as aesthetically pleasing as possible, etc etc etc. It was always this way to an extent but now that we’ve given up the pretence of photos being “r…

Samsung phones (and I guess iphones too) already do this lmao. https://www.insider.com/samsung-phones-default-beauty-mode-c... My favorite one is the phones that put a fake picture of a moon in pictures where the moon is detected! https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...

Post by panarky » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 6:50 AM UTC

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That's not "basic denoising" and photos from my 8 look nothing like that; the "watercolor" or "oil painting" look started around the iPhone 12. Basic denoising is stuff like chroma or hue smoothing. This is very aggressive patterning. That's a daylight photo that the phone turned into an oil painting. https://www.google.com/search?q=pixel+photo+oil+painting+loo...

It’s just what happens when you really aggressively do noise reduction on small sensor data. The noise pattern of any sensor that small will blotch in patterns that when combined with aggressive noise reduction, it will look this way. It’s less apparent on bigger sensors but you’ll see the same if you really crank the noise reduction

Post by mplewis » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 6:57 AM UTC

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To play devils advocate here: the best camera is the one you have with you, and computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking and get a clear picture that captures a memory. It’s obviously an argument to say that Apple shouldn’t get to choose how your memories are recorded, but I know I’ve captured a lot more moments I would’ve otherwise missed because of just how automatic phone cam…

> computational photography does mean you can just push a button without thinking and get a clear picture that captures a memory. I'd argue that the women trying to take a photo of herself in her wedding dress did not get a clear picture that captures a memory. She got a very confusing picture that captured something which never happened. There are lots of great automatic camera features which are super helpful, but…

Post by autoexec » Fri, Dec 01, 2023, 7:19 AM UTC

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There's a huge difference between someone intentionally altering an image according to their wishes and someone not even aware of changes that have been done. Before, forensic experts could decide if an image had been altered in photoshop, but I guess the only sane conclusion now is that anything taken with an iphone is fake and untrustworthy.

As opposed to Samsungs which will take any vaguely circular bright white object and turn it into the moon? https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/11nzrb0/samsung_sp...