I think I broke it. I found Peewee's Big Adventure, clicked through a bunch of movies to TV shows, found Starcraft and finally SUS, Amongus, Barack Obama and Walter White.
Music-Map – Find Similar Music
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#52First artist I tried failed: Øystein Sevåg, also not in transliteration. David Benoit fared a lot better, Neneh Cherry matched Carmel(?) but not Youssou N'Dour with whom she had her most popular song. Interesting concept though I will definitely be playing around with it. Edit: long ago I did something like this but based on the individual band members so that you could trace them as they moved through their career,…
I have now tried four different artists and all show very bad matches. Vaguely artists in the same genre, but still clustered by overly broad features.
Artist and music similarity is an incredibly nuanced area, I don't think any of the modern attempts worked sufficiently well (apart from the Music Genome Project, that's still in a different class to this day).
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#53It is pretty bad for classical composers - groups together completely unrelated, very different people: I typed Monteverdi and the closest neighbors shown are Scriabin, Britten, Poulenc, Faure, Schubert. It does not make any sense.
I believe it's pretty bad for just about anything - at least, after a few tests, I haven't found a good example where it, indeed, provides meaningful and useful results. I wouldn't have an issue if it would say "check out what people also tend to listen to", but it's most certainly not "find similar music".
I strongly suspect that it has no idea about music whatsoever, and probably falls into same association fallacy as most recommendation systems, basing relationship on co-occurrence rather than any inherent similarity.
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#54I would love to select more than one artist at a time.
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#55Wow! Music recommenders come up every once in awhile on HN and they're almost alway unusable for underground music. Aside from not recognizing some of the names I tried, this one does quite well. It just needs quick links to listen to examples and it'll already be more useful than Spotify, Apple Music or Last.fm. Some test cases I used: Logic1000, Tessela, Piezo, TSVI, Two Shell, Caterina Barbieri, Schacke, Amnesia S…
That's exactly what I've been working on. Choose it based on the people someone chose to work with and those networks. It's very much just a single user system that I haven't generalized because that's a way harder problem, the rules aren't generalizable. Classical music for instance, may have 15 names on the credits, a jazz record may have like 4 labels it gets placed on. Let's take an EP by a popular artist. It may…
Nice! Glad you're doing this work. Sounds like something that would be best integrated into a community with strong contributor culture that could do the tagging, but that's another task entirely.
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#56Wow! Music recommenders come up every once in awhile on HN and they're almost alway unusable for underground music. Aside from not recognizing some of the names I tried, this one does quite well. It just needs quick links to listen to examples and it'll already be more useful than Spotify, Apple Music or Last.fm. Some test cases I used: Logic1000, Tessela, Piezo, TSVI, Two Shell, Caterina Barbieri, Schacke, Amnesia S…
could this be as simple as...a python script which takes an artist - using python discogs_client and just scours every label mate of that artist and feeds itt to you - made more intelligent with acoustic fingerprinting...and a tiny bit of human intervention? :)
For certain scenes and genres, I suspect this would already be very useful
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#57Back when humans still did work, the Music Genome Project had people listen to songs and try to break them down into little "genes" of metadata, everything from "vocal harmonies" to "minor chords" to "strong lyrical presence". It worked way better than the automated systems, IMO, and gave rise to Pandora: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project?wprov=sfl... I wish other music apps could license their recom…
In my personal experience I gave up on Pandora. It was regularly suggesting me music that wasn't at all similar to the song I started on. In fact it was consistently worse at finding me similar music than just plain Spotify radio (or playlist enhancer) and/or YouTube Music radio.
Contrast Chosic (which is free) - its recommendations are configurable and usually hit the mark much better: https://www.chosic.com/playlist-generator/
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#58Cool. Created the same idea quite a few years ago. Also added the ability to traverse the network and view clips and info about the artists. The entire thing leverages one SQLite file.
As the google API key is now invalid, you get to see how the clips were queried... ;-)
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#59Back when humans still did work, the Music Genome Project had people listen to songs and try to break them down into little "genes" of metadata, everything from "vocal harmonies" to "minor chords" to "strong lyrical presence". It worked way better than the automated systems, IMO, and gave rise to Pandora: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project?wprov=sfl... I wish other music apps could license their recom…
In my personal experience I gave up on Pandora. It was regularly suggesting me music that wasn't at all similar to the song I started on. In fact it was consistently worse at finding me similar music than just plain Spotify radio (or playlist enhancer) and/or YouTube Music radio. Contrast Chosic (which is free) - its recommendations are configurable and usually hit the mark much better: https://www.chosic.com/playlis…
Or maybe the similarities were just not in the perspective you expected?
(two songs in widly distant genres/production styles can still be very similar on rythm, tonality, chords, tension, progression, structure, etc.)
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#60I’ve been wanting something like this for a long time. My tastes are a little offbeat sometimes. Wax Tailor, one of my favorite artists, uses sampled dialogue from films, educational programs, corporate videos and whatnot to create quite interesting sonic creations that I just love. I wish more we’re creating similar types of music (I just found Biosphere’s “Petrified Forest” which is themed to that old movie - and a…
I tend to spend a few months at a time in each music rabbit-hole. The most I can remember from that general area are not all the same vibe, but close enough to keep me around: Pretty Lights, The Avalanches, Nightmares On Wax, RJD2, Little People, Gramatik, Quantic, Emancipator. Kid Koala also belongs on that list, particularly after Baby Driver.
Most of my exploration routes were just Pandora or Spotify recommendations. Digging through the graph of "Similar Artists" is my main path - and basically the same quest as OP.
What I would really like to do is zoom out on that graph, and interact with it a little less linearly. What if you could grab a handful of favorite nodes, stretch it out, and see what lies in between them? What if you could remove the ones you already know?