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Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by robbiep »

zlg_codes wrote: post #28
mikpanko wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it work with the new Youtube ad blocker wall?

Yes. There were a few days where they were using odd hueristics that managed to detect uBlock, but after following instructions to clear my cache and update my lists, I re-enabled other lists one-by-one, realizing I needed fewer than I had to begin with, and Youtube's worked ad-free since. Some people are coming up with one-liner Javascript functions to fool scripts on the page as well, but I have to question the dur…

What browser are you using? I heard a whisper (presumably on here, somewhere) that people had had their accounts blocked for using chrome

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by zlg_codes »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #29
whynotmaybe wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The name. Because when non techies hear about "ad blocker" they install the product that has a similar name. I'm never even sure about the "ublock" or "youblock" or "μBlock" so when I install it, I search "origin".

uBlock Origin is a terrible name, specially when you consider that there is a different extension simply called "uBlock", that at this point has little to do with uBO.

There is a historic reason for this. uBlock was handed over to another entity, who then engaged with ad networks and did "Acceptable Ads" BS. gorhill's fork appears to have been immediately after the hand-off, however.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin#uBlock

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by zlg_codes »

robbiep wrote: post #31
zlg_codes wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There were a few days where they were using odd hueristics that managed to detect uBlock, but after following instructions to clear my cache and update my lists, I re-enabled other lists one-by-one, realizing I needed fewer than I had to begin with, and Youtube's worked ad-free since. Some people are coming up with one-liner Javascript functions to fool scripts on the page as well, but I have to question the dur…

What browser are you using? I heard a whisper (presumably on here, somewhere) that people had had their accounts blocked for using chrome

ooh I think I know what you're talking about. I'm on Firefox, no Google account.

Would not surprise me to see them bully account holders.

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by sudhackar »

user764743 wrote: post #18
blahyawnblah wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use uBlock origin, privacy badger, and pihole and have had no issues with youtube with firefox

privacy badger is redundant and unnecessary

privacy badger is useless at best and can do a disservice. uBlock origin can do everything privacy badger does and more. Also it has been known that having both privacy badger and uBlock origin causes conflicts and issues.

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by grogenaut »

zlg_codes wrote: post #30
grogenaut wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would actually argue that "can't be won from the server side" is completely untrue. However ad companies don't trust websites to serve ads and report and so there are obvious to block setups because of that distinction, which is what makes ublock work. If there was trust between ad networks and sites it'd be a lot harder to block. I find it pretty ironic. and I continue to be surprised how completely terrible ad ne…

That's a good point, but you also explained why it's not too much of a concern. There are ways to fully control it, but it's all server side. The best protected content is the content never served. They're stuck in a situation where the business model is pissing off (some of) their users, and they want to turn ad blocking users into either ad viewers (not going to happen) or paying customers (limited but possible suc…

You're both correct and also missing nuances that make it a lot more complex than what you're thinking. Ask yourself Why is paywalling different than ads that makes it more effective, then question if it actually is and if ads could be just as effective? I'm sadly not going to be able to explain more. Otherwise this would be a fun discussion.

I do know with a low ad rate you could have people who block ads watch ads with an effective delivery system. Like everyone it's the right balance of ad rate with content rate, or you know just charging directly.

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by charcircuit »

zlg_codes wrote: post #11

Why is anyone not using uBlock Origin? Raymond's proven so far he won't be shady, and has made a tool that's incredibly resilient to anything the server side can do. The adblocker wars cannot be won by the serving side. There will always be a way to browse the Web without ads, or there will simply be fewer people using the Web; they will move onto other protocols where they can avoid ads.. at least until the marketer…

>or there will simply be fewer people using the Web

Most people will want to access the value provided by sites on the web, so I don't see why they would stop using it.

>they will move onto other protocols

Why would a new protocol need to be made for websites that have ads that are blockable? Why wouldn't they just use HTTP to serve those sites?

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by zlg_codes »

safety1st wrote: post #25
zlg_codes wrote: post #11

Why is anyone not using uBlock Origin? Raymond's proven so far he won't be shady, and has made a tool that's incredibly resilient to anything the server side can do. The adblocker wars cannot be won by the serving side. There will always be a way to browse the Web without ads, or there will simply be fewer people using the Web; they will move onto other protocols where they can avoid ads.. at least until the marketer…

> Is there nowhere in society considered sacred enough to not litter it with advertising filth? Yes, there is still a last bastion of focus, productivity and anti-distraction. It's the terminal, which is why I find myself using TUI apps more and more as time goes on. There are specifically a few principles we need to preserve to prevent the marketers from ever getting a foothold in the terminal. They are: general com…

Nice to see this sentiment on a mainstream site. :)

There is some risk of ads on other protocols, but yes, text-based ones are the most flexible and powerful. Even if a gopher server starts getting ads, a gopher client can be configured to sed/grep/whatever certain URLs or domains, just like uBlock is for web browsers.

Staying esoteric, and in self-hosted community spaces, is how I've best stayed away from corporate communications.

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by dumbo-octopus »

safety1st wrote: post #25
zlg_codes wrote: post #11

Why is anyone not using uBlock Origin? Raymond's proven so far he won't be shady, and has made a tool that's incredibly resilient to anything the server side can do. The adblocker wars cannot be won by the serving side. There will always be a way to browse the Web without ads, or there will simply be fewer people using the Web; they will move onto other protocols where they can avoid ads.. at least until the marketer…

> Is there nowhere in society considered sacred enough to not litter it with advertising filth? Yes, there is still a last bastion of focus, productivity and anti-distraction. It's the terminal, which is why I find myself using TUI apps more and more as time goes on. There are specifically a few principles we need to preserve to prevent the marketers from ever getting a foothold in the terminal. They are: general com…

Funny you say that, I was just thinking earlier today back to the core-js drama.

In short: the creator of a NPM package that is used by approximately everyone, everywhere, was facing a legal battle. He had been developing this package full time for years and did not have the cash on hand to hire a lawyer. He added a console log that ran on installing his package that said something like "If you're using core-js please consider donating". Queue an absolute shitstorm of people screaming at him in the GitHub issues and him eventually going to prison for around 10 months.

It can be a rough world out there for the folks building for the "focus, productivity and anti-distraction" platform.

Luckily he seems to be back on the grind nowadays, with a decently robust cross-platform donated slush fund to boot (~200k USD across Pateron, Open Collective, Bitcoin).

https://github.com/zloirock/core-js

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

zlg_codes wrote: post #11

Why is anyone not using uBlock Origin? Raymond's proven so far he won't be shady, and has made a tool that's incredibly resilient to anything the server side can do. The adblocker wars cannot be won by the serving side. There will always be a way to browse the Web without ads, or there will simply be fewer people using the Web; they will move onto other protocols where they can avoid ads.. at least until the marketer…

> Is there nowhere in society considered sacred enough to not litter it with advertising filth?

There are all kinds of digital places where there are no ads, ads are actually pretty easy to avoid without an adblocker.

Wikipedia, hacker news, text.npr.org, craigslist, pbs.org, lite.cnn.org, cbc lite, nitter

Spotify, youtube, reddit, netflix, hulu, etc if you pay for them.

esoteric stuff like gopher and gemini or questionably legal stuff like scihub or anna's archive.

Re: Users are massively giving their 1-star reviews to AdBlocker

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Post by elvis10ten »

zlg_codes wrote: post #11

Why is anyone not using uBlock Origin? Raymond's proven so far he won't be shady, and has made a tool that's incredibly resilient to anything the server side can do. The adblocker wars cannot be won by the serving side. There will always be a way to browse the Web without ads, or there will simply be fewer people using the Web; they will move onto other protocols where they can avoid ads.. at least until the marketer…

> Our culture needs to confront the fact that people are tired of their attention being diverted from their goals every day just so some dumb companies can remind us they exist.

This seems like an argument against non-targeted/contextual ads only? Because goals and ads can align.

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