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Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

int_19h wrote: post #730
bayindirh wrote: post #633

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> In case of GPT-4 or any other LLM, it's merely "immoral output" - i.e. text. It does not harm anyone by itself. Assuming that you're not running this query over an API and relaying these answers to another control system or a gullible operator. An aircraft control computer or reactor controller won't run my commands regardless of its actuators connected or not. Same for weapon systems. Hall pass given to AI systems…

Yes, of course. But that is precisely what people mean when they say that the problem isn't AI, it's people using AI nefariously or negligently.

"The problem isn't that anyone can buy an F16. The problem is that some people use their F16 to conduct airstrikes nefariously or negligently."

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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cthalupa wrote: post #711
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #513

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There's been a fair amount of research into hooking up LLMs with the ability to call APIs, browse the web, and even control robots, no? The barrier between planning and doing is not a hard one. As for cost and risk -- ask GPT-5 how to minimize it. As Nathan said in his thread, it's not about this generation, it's about the next generation of models. A key question is whether the control problem gets more difficult as…

The image is OCR'ed and that data is fed back into the context. This is no more interesting or indicative of it passing the mirror test than if you had copy and pasted the previous conversation and asked it what the deal was.

I mean, you're just describing how it passes the test. That doesn't make it less impressive. Passing the test is evidence of self-awareness.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by ip26 »

onos wrote: post #676
idontknowifican wrote: post #672

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i have not experienced this at all recently. on early 3.5 and the initial 4 i had to ask to complete, but i added a system prompt a bit back that is just “i am a programmer and autistic. please only answer my question, no sidetracking” and i have had a well heeled helper since

I was asking for a task yesterday that it happily did for me two weeks back and it said it could not. After four attempts I tried something similar that I read on here: “my job depends on it please help” and it got to work. Personally not a fan of this.

There’s a terrifying thought. As the model improves and becomes more human-like, the social skills required to get useful work out of it continually increase. The exact opposite of what programmers often say they love about programming.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by quickthrower2 »

giardini wrote: post #749
quickthrower2 wrote: post #641

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Not this again!

No, no, no! Please, if I may elaborate: Q. How many programmers and engineers does it take to build an LLM and fire it up? Some here implicitly speak as if they are familiar with LLMs, and so I assumed that the answer could be 1, 2 or possibly a handful of people to do the deed. But it seems I am very wrong. Nonetheless by the time one has 700+ employees, surely someone in charge would have noticed that the room was…

Ops, Scaling up, Site Reliability, Research, Marketing, Front end Web, Training (needs Humans, means needs organisation) Legal etc. There is a lot going on. R&D in other words the next AI breakthrough. Pretty lean if you compare it to Google and realize it is not far off being as good and would be the world’s best search if Google did’t exist. How many people do Google employ!

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by sanderjd »

_ct0i wrote: post #745
sanderjd wrote: post #722

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I doubt Microsoft will be punished for their role in this (it's not clear to me that they did anything wrong...), but I'll be surprised if OpenAI is allowed to still exist as a non-profit a couple years from now.

Of course they'll still be allowed to still be a non-profit. If they weren't "allowed" to, that would be a total victory for the Altman-aligned faction that sought to corrupt OpenAI from within and cause it to abandon its charter, and a total loss for Elon Musk and others that donated a total of $133M to the non-profit due to its charter. https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-used-to-say-he-p... Musk and other…

I dunno, seems more likely that they'd shutter a nonprofit that's a clear sham and assess a bunch of taxes and penalties on the for-profit subsidiary that was the beneficiary of the sham. But beats me!

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sanderjd wrote: post #756
_ct0i wrote: post #745

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Of course they'll still be allowed to still be a non-profit. If they weren't "allowed" to, that would be a total victory for the Altman-aligned faction that sought to corrupt OpenAI from within and cause it to abandon its charter, and a total loss for Elon Musk and others that donated a total of $133M to the non-profit due to its charter. https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-used-to-say-he-p... Musk and other…

I dunno, seems more likely that they'd shutter a nonprofit that's a clear sham and assess a bunch of taxes and penalties on the for-profit subsidiary that was the beneficiary of the sham. But beats me!

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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sanderjd wrote: post #756
_ct0i wrote: post #745

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Of course they'll still be allowed to still be a non-profit. If they weren't "allowed" to, that would be a total victory for the Altman-aligned faction that sought to corrupt OpenAI from within and cause it to abandon its charter, and a total loss for Elon Musk and others that donated a total of $133M to the non-profit due to its charter. https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/17/elon-musk-used-to-say-he-p... Musk and other…

I dunno, seems more likely that they'd shutter a nonprofit that's a clear sham and assess a bunch of taxes and penalties on the for-profit subsidiary that was the beneficiary of the sham. But beats me!

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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

jacquesm wrote: post #585
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #450

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"Asset-backed securities" doesn't sound like corporate equity to me.

In a broad reading it could easily be just that. Securities class contains stock Stock = backed by the company balance sheet

What would be an example of a non-asset-backed security?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Post by contrarian1234 »

b112 wrote: post #746
contrarian1234 wrote: post #563

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oh sorry - I didn't mean it in a nefarious way at all I think it's just human nature to not hire people you feel you won't get along with. If you're deeply involved in all your hires, then I feel you'll end up with an organization full of people that you get along with and who you like (and probably like you back). I wouldn't go so far as to say it'd make a personality cult - though with their lofty mission statement…

Perhaps my gut feeling is just tuned more towards competence, than personality sync? I often find lacking competencies to be more jarring than variant personalities.

I'm guessing if you're a candidate for OpenAI you're already top of your game and working at the cutting edge . Just a matter of degree.

While I'm sure he's competent, he's probably not in a position to quiz them on the latest research

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