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Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#101

What surprised me is the "order with card" choice. I haven't bought a new car in a while, but is it normal to be defaulted to putting a $100,000 purchase on a credit card? Edit: Nevermind, it's a $250 deposit on a later $100,000 purchase.

You use the card to put down a deposit. Then you get a loan, and/or pay by check or bank transfer (or even cash, I guess).

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me.

Every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size (in modern times). Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice (as in, most people opt for a quad/crew cab without the long bed). All of them can handle 8' plywood with the bed down, just like this 6' bed on the Cybertruck. Even the Ford Maverick can handle an 8' sheet of plywood by using an adjusted-height tailgate and the wheel wells. http…

> Literally every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size.

Nope

> Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice.

Also nope

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#103
post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k

Can you actually buy it at that price?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#104

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Audi A6 48V mild hybrid from 2018 - https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/02/20180228-audi.html

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#105
post #99

Stainless steel exterior with sharp edges. Not looking forwarding to seeing pedestrians get gored when these things run into them. Not holding my breath on good crash compatibility with cars, either. If you care about humans, you won't get one of these.

A low sharp front is what you want if you get hit by a vehicle at speed. A high blunt front might be less likely to break your legs but more likely to kill you.

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-v...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#106

So the $40K CyberTruck is actually $61,000 and works on the assumption of tax credits being available at the end of 2025, 2 years from now... oh, and we've gone back to the bullshit of "subtracting gas costs from the "probable price"." Another Elon lie. Four, nearly five years after initial claims - meant to be available in 2021, and 52% more expensive. "Range: 250 - 500 miles". Another lie. Try 250 - 340. 33% less.…

Inflation exists independently of Musk or Tesla. $61k is $51.6k in 2019 dollars.

This is backwards though. Musk announced the $40K truck in 2019 for initial delivery in 2021. $40K in 2019 is $42.3K in 2021. Even now, we're at $48K.

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#107
post #53

I can't wait to point and laugh at the first one of these I see. Just horrendously ugly.

It's all very subjective. I love them. I hope there is a version 2 at some point (I am not a Tesla/Musk fan boy, I just want to see what might be next).

Agreed. The Aztec was the same way. I hate them, my partner thought they were cool.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#108
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a 500 mile range by towing a second, fully charged Cybertruck and switching them at mile 250.

Wouldn't the first truck's range be significantly reduced by the additional weight? The second truck will have to tow a third fully charged truck to get us to 500 miles.

That's the kind of math you use Tsiolkovsky rocket equation for.

Best would be to do the EV equivalent of asparagus staging - you have all trucks providing acceleration, but trucks 1 and 2 are also being recharged by truck 3. You then jettison it once its battery runs dry, leaving you with trucks 1 and 2, the latter also charging the former. Again, drop truck 2 as it runs out of juice. This lets you get rid of excess mass as early as possible, maximizing the benefit of extra batteries and thrust.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#109

I can't wait to point and laugh at the first one of these I see. Just horrendously ugly.

I honestly think Musk kicked the designers out of the room and said "how hard can this be?", Then took up a pencil and ruler and drew exactly what you see , and told everybody "This is what we're building because it fucking rocks". It doesn't. It's a 12 year old boy's shitty drawing of dream car, and I guarantee you that his drawing included lots of stupid specs and measurements in a box to the side of it. And his na…

Yeah, that's probably what happened.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

#110

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Audi A6 48V mild hybrid from 2018 - https://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/02/20180228-audi.html

This one is a little bit different since there are actually still two (well three systems here: 48V, 12V, and the ICE).

These systems have existed for quite some time, since it was a lot easier to use high voltage rated components for all of the 48V high power stuff (e-turbochargers, e-hybrid-compressor-whatevers, other motor driven stuff) but keep just a single downconverter to 12V for everything else.

The problem is that most digital electronics expect something like 1-5V to operate, including most controllers, processors, sensors etc, and typically this conversion is done at the module level in a distributed way. Going from 12V to 1V isn't really a problem (or 24V ish for that matter, which is what they use in notebooks), and 20V and 30V class semiconductors are easy to find and have desirable performance characteristics.

Going from 48V at every module to 12V as an intermediate bus, usually requires a transformer because otherwise you'd be switching the current on for a very short time per cycle (duty cycle proportionate to voltage ratio), and this has implications for efficiency and component sizing. So I'd think this is quite a huge change compared to the old mild hybrid systems

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