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If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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What is a better career?

Welding, plumbing, electrician… plenty of work for the foreseeable future.

lol?

It's so much better to work for 1/2 as long for 3x the salary than twice as long for 1/3 of the salary.

There's plenty of minimum wage job for the foreseeable future as well; but being employeed 24/7 is not the metric to optimize here.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Sounds like a list of things to do if you don't have a family, friends, pets, hobbies, chores or a job.

For a lot of people starting their careers, this is probably close to the truth. For people like me (I’ve got all of those besides the pets, unless you consider fish), well… Yeah, you might want to consider a different path.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Honestly, if I were starting my career today, I'd choose a different career. I love being a developer, but the industry has changed significantly for the worse over the decades. Enough so that I don't recommend people enter it.

What's changed?

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Honestly, if I were starting my career today, I'd choose a different career. I love being a developer, but the industry has changed significantly for the worse over the decades. Enough so that I don't recommend people enter it.

What is a better career?

Management. Chew up the grinders and spit them out when there is no flavor left. There's an endless supply; they extoll the virtues of the grind to the next generation, all the way until they've been spit out. But nobody listens to them once that's happened.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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What is a better career?

Welding, plumbing, electrician… plenty of work for the foreseeable future.

Is this a joke comment? Those people work twice as hard as me and get paid half of what I do.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Honestly, if I were starting my career today, I'd choose a different career. I love being a developer, but the industry has changed significantly for the worse over the decades. Enough so that I don't recommend people enter it.

What's changed?

The entire mindset of the industry has shifted to one of maximal monetary extraction rather than producing quality, useful products.

Everywhere I look, I see our industry engaging in practices that abuse others for profit. This applies to how we treat our customers, how we treat society, and even how we treat developers.

For a microcosm of the problem, look at how often comments here focus on being a developer in order to get rich rather than being a developer in order to do great things.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Welding, plumbing, electrician… plenty of work for the foreseeable future.

lol? It's so much better to work for 1/2 as long for 3x the salary than twice as long for 1/3 of the salary. There's plenty of minimum wage job for the foreseeable future as well; but being employeed 24/7 is not the metric to optimize here.

> It's so much better to work for 1/2 as long for 3x the salary than twice as long for 1/3 of the salary.

Not necessarily. It's not better if your work is making your life 3x worse, for instance.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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post #13

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What's changed?

The entire mindset of the industry has shifted to one of maximal monetary extraction rather than producing quality, useful products. Everywhere I look, I see our industry engaging in practices that abuse others for profit. This applies to how we treat our customers, how we treat society, and even how we treat developers. For a microcosm of the problem, look at how often comments here focus on being a developer in ord…

So just work at a B2B company rather than a B2C company?

I've only worked at B2B companies my entire career and I've literally never once seen anyone "engaging in practices that abuse others for profit."

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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The entire mindset of the industry has shifted to one of maximal monetary extraction rather than producing quality, useful products. Everywhere I look, I see our industry engaging in practices that abuse others for profit. This applies to how we treat our customers, how we treat society, and even how we treat developers. For a microcosm of the problem, look at how often comments here focus on being a developer in ord…

So just work at a B2B company rather than a B2C company? I've only worked at B2B companies my entire career and I've literally never once seen anyone "engaging in practices that abuse others for profit."

With the exception of two companies I started myself, my whole career has been B2B companies, and there are many good ones (almost exclusively companies which use software, but aren't software companies).

But pure software companies? Even B2B ones are increasingly abusive -- they just tend to abuse their employees rather than customers.

Note that I'm certainly not saying that all companies are like this. But the trendline for it is clear to me: it's getting more common as time goes on. That's why I would avoid this industry if I were at the start of my career. I think things are going to get much worse before they get better.

Re: If I Were Starting a Software Engineering Career Today

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Welding, plumbing, electrician… plenty of work for the foreseeable future.

Work that doesn’t pay particularly well and can be hard on your body. This is a huge departure.

Experienced welders, plumbers, and electricians make as much as senior software devs do, at least in my part of the US.
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