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Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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I wondered the other day if Kickstarter might be the next big Internet company (following Google, Facebook and Twitter). The business model has so much disruptive potential, and they've already overcome the chicken and egg problem. I wish it were possible to invest in them. :-)

That is highly unlikely. Kickstarter is essentially a marketplace for entrepreneurs. People don't go to Amazon or ebay in the same sense as Google or Facebook. Sure they have one hell of a business, but only a certain kind of person is attracted to it. Everyone uses Google (or some search engine) and Facebook's attraction is undeniable.

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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Is there a place that lists the projects that ended up being a failure? I'm curious what the failure rate of Kickstarter is, and if fraud artists are attempting to rip people off via it. Also, if the failure rate starts increasing, would that jeopardize the entire business model, if people lose confidence that the projects will see the light of day?

Maybe the Diaspora project qualifies as a failure or, at least, as a disappointment.

I never held out much hope for Diaspora. For the most part I only use Facebook to connect with people that are helplessly or willfully ignorant of the issues that led to Diaspora in the first place.

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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How does the Pebble Watch fit into your understanding of the difference? They have a small team, single designer. Although they built a consumer electronics product before they seem to run on fairly limited funding. Although I don't know of any Kickstarted consumer electronics designs that have already shipped successfully, so maybe the specific viability is not yet proven.

The Pebble watch is cute, and small enough scale that they might actually ship product. The question is, at what price? Remember, we're talking CE, so every penny counts. Unless they've assembled a very good team, that thing will retail for over $100. If the product seems like it might be successful, somebody like Samsung will jump in right away with a competing product for $50 USD. And 6 months after that the Chines…

It's tough to compete, unless there's a product people are willing to buy which they simply can't buy from the big guys.

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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They've said they're not interested in doing it, which is kind of surprising.

There will be substantial regulatory issues to deal with, so it's not too surprising they don't want to drag themselves into that. Better to maintain their focus.

Well, that opens up the spot for a new startup.

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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The big consumer electronics companies should be really scared right now. Hardware startups are coming. Wouldn't be surprised if some hardware incubators start popping up too

There are several that exist already. Here is one in located in San Francisco.

http://www.lemnoslabs.com/

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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For me it was surprising at first that Kickstarter even worked. It pulled out a better part of people that I really didn't hope that it exists on such a level. People are basically paying for stuff without the 100% guarantee that they'll get it, without previous reviews and opinions about those products, and while knowingly being the first batch of users which will collide head-first with all first bugs and issues. A…

I am surprised as well, I did not expect it to work. I am very happy that it has however.

Re: Kickstarter Is Totally Disrupting Consumer Electronics, Probably By Mistake

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I wonder if KickStarter and similar projects could disrupt YC and TechStars. For example, I could see DropBox raising a sizable seed round on KickStarter if it was an option when they launched. (Free 250gb plan for a year with a donation of $50.)

Definitely! Why can't I buy $100 worth of stock in a startup along with 1000's of other people? Some SEC rules or something? EDIT: Then imagine how motivated those 1000's of others would be to promote a startup they owned a stake in.

I was actually looking at doing something like this about a year ago, before I figured it was virtually impossible at the time. The idea did come out to me after seeing kickstarter a couple of times. I even remember that one of the names I was playing with was Bootstrap.it or something similar. My logic went along the same lines as your edit. People would not only be able to donate monetary funds, but then each company would have access to a network of different individuals, some of whom would be willing to help out with advice, or maybe if one was a lawyer, he'd help them get incorporated, that kind of stuff.

Essentially it's because of SEC. First of all you have (had) the 500 limit for investors, so any fundraiser where only, let's say 400 people, could give money would be rather shitty.

Then the other part was that if you wanted to invest in early stage startups, you have to be an accredited investor. That is you have to either make 200K a year for the last two years (or 300K together with a spouse) or have $1 million in the bank. So again, not too many people fill those requirements.

In terms of companies that were still attempting this, http://www.profounder.com/ is one of the bigger ones. They (sort of) made it work through some loopholes as far as I knew.

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