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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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That's an odd question. Obviously I'd rather live in the more peaceful side, but that has nothing to do with anything. If you had to chose between living in nazi occupied Paris and Stalingrad, which one would you chose? Does that mean that the Russians made a bad choice resisting the invaders? For some people, living comfortably isn't the most important thing they can have. Not getting conquered, invaded, or literall…

> Not getting conquered, invaded, or literally colonized is a good thing. Don't you agree? Actually I don't. It depends on the circumstances and the price. Sometimes getting colonized is the best outcome possible. Especially if the alternative is getting wiped out by way stronger opponent. US colonized large part of Mexico. Are people there better or worse because of that?

> Especially if the alternative is getting wiped out by way stronger opponent.

That's a personal judgement which fundamentally contradicts the populations' rights to self-determination, i.e. the basis of international law since WWI (famously enshrined by Woodrow Wilson, among others). It's the basis for US support for the independence of Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Taiwan, etc - all countries threatened by a "way stronger opponent" claiming their territory. US attitudes to Israel are fundamentally contradictory of pretty much all fundamental principles guiding US foreign policies for more than 100 years, they are simply baffling from the outside.

> US colonized large part of Mexico. Are people there better or worse because of that?

Considering the local population at the time (which was itself not even indigenous) was often displaced, I'd say people were worse off. The US also colonized the entirety of Native American land, and people there are definitely worse off. Your principle simply doesn't stand up to logical examination.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Interesting to see this on HN. I currently work for the company that redesigned the HMI/UI following this incident. Or rather, it's how my company was founded. In the aftermath, the US Navy Command in San Diego contacted several UCSD professors in the Cognitive Science and Psychology department who specialized in high-impact decision making under stress and cognitive load. The Navy was apparently impressed with the d…

Software engineers sometimes wonder about the importance of their jobs by comparing them to other engineering fields where mistakes can hurt or kill fellow human beings. And then there are jobs that hurt or kill regardless of the quality of your work.

Real software engineers care a lot, those with fake engineering titles after a bootcamp, not so much.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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> Air France seemed to manage it [on a Boeing] Hence my "at the time" bracket. Since then, newer Boeing planes have actually removed the physical connection between the sticks! Absolutely bonkers decision given the background. (I put "at least" at the end of my bracket because I wasn't 100% sure I rememebered correctly.) But maybe there is a good reason - e.g. like a sibling comment suggested, if one gets stuck.

As the sibling comment points out the 777 has mechanically linked yokes. The 787 does too. With the Air France go around, the pilots were pulling hard enough that the mechanical connection between the yokes was broken. Both pilots continued to provide contradictory inputs. On an Airbus this would trigger a "dual input" annunciator, and there's a "priority takeover" button that would lock out one set of controls. On t…

Thanks for this, very interesting.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments;…

It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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This was most certainly not anywhere near a modern car. Further, it was a gravel road, which is a case where I'm not sure ABS brakes work better, but I could be wrong.

the first key insight here is that brakes can generate much more friction against the wheel than the tire can against any surface you're driving on. this makes the tires the limiting factor for stopping distance, not the brakes. the only exceptions to this rule are very old (like pre-1980s) cars, cars that desperately need new brake pads, and brakes that have overheated from heavy use on a track or riding them down a…

The issue is that I realized I wasn't going to stop in time while depressing the brakes, but just barely. That was when I pulled the e-brake and put the car into a spin, trying to burn energy. By that point, I was probably only doing 20-30mph. Thus I came to the train tracks almost parallel, but skidding along the road. My goal, as I was doing it, was to clip the train and get pushed along vs. shoved from the side. Then put the car in park to hopefully absorb as much of that impact as possible since I figured I might either die or lose consciousness. I wanted to be found on the road, instead of in the swamp on either side of the road.

I was incredibly lucky that day, there is no doubt about it, but, I also did a lot of insane driving during that point in my life. I knew how to handle that car in a variety of conditions from rain, gravel, snow, and ice and any mix of them.

Did I make the right decisions during those fleeting seconds? Possibly, possibly not. One thing I did have, was options. Options are something that has been taken away over the years through weird UX choices.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Also, what was the US navy even doing there? The Persian Gulf is nowhere near the US. It's as if Iran had their navy parked on the US east coast, it would be seen as an outrage immediately.

Well, Ukraine is not near US, but Ukraine asked US for support, trying to de-occupy Ukrainian territory, which is defined and agreed by dozen of international treaties. Absolutely same thing happen at Persian Gulf, allies asked for support from US and help arrived.

After the US supported a coup in 2014, installing a government and military structure that would help NATO push east (despite previous agreement) and later violate the Minsk agreements.

The world would be a better place if you stayed at home.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Genocide != Civilian casualties. Genocide is about the extermination of a people. Anders Puck Nielsen just made a good video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9n77DPJ7AE

> Genocide is about the extermination of a people. Thus resulting a lot of civ casualties. If it's genocide is for ever up to debate. Civ casualties are usually not that debatable. Without a large number (%) of civ deaths in some place there cannot be a genocide.

It can still be genocide without murder. Things like preventing childbirth or deporting/stealing children (like what Putin is wanted for) also fall under genocide.

For the most part "mass murder" and "genocide" have a lot of overlap. But it's not the same crime.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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The price in cents is the way "it was always done" in retail, back when POS terminals were not directly connected to cash registers and the worker had to manually type in the amount. But yeah, sudden change in US design will causemany errors everywhere.

I’m adding a tangent to a tangent, but “POS terminals” has to be one of the greatest naming decisions in history.

Yep, same acronym can be used when they work nicely, and when they stop working :)

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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It's bogus to compare french resistance to Hamas. French resistants had no intention of destroying Germany or killing all germans. If anything, the german military were the one committing a genocide (albeit not against the french I can give you that). All politicians leaders of Palestinian people have eventually refused a 2-states solution. Israël does recognize a few groups as valid diplomatic partners but not Hamas…

I agree in part. But my question was basically this: when Hamas is eliminated and less extreme groups come to power, but are still committed to armed struggle … how should they proceed? Would it be legitimate to use guerilla tactics like the French resistance?

I have no idea. I guess Palestinians need something like the next Arafat, who actually commits to a 2-states solution. Or whatever leading group that is non-terrorist and that Israël feels safe negotiating with (there are a few). I feel that would be the best solution for most people involved.

That is, if and when Hamas is eradicated, which is a big if. A war with Iran isn't out of the question. Thing is Hamas represents like 35% of votes ? It's both a lot and very little. Maybe 10% of those 35% would actually be ok to take an assault weapon and resist. Meaning the vast majority would probably be ok to negotiate even a mediocre deal but owning their land and borders ? Can we even make a forecast like this ?

Edit : Bottom line, Palestinians will obviously and sadly be in a terrible position to negotiate, if and when that happens...

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments;…

It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.

What a weird take. Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes?

If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine?

>>Not very different from Russia to me.

Did you think about this sentence for more than 2 seconds before you typed it?

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